thanks all. on an obscure cr area(minden, nevada) drove 2 hours to get em. the gentleman had been really into biking but had an injury and hadnt ridden for years so these were hanging in his garage(along with a killer dark green one) all have a mix of record and chorus for the most part. all are pretty much in fantastic shape. may but putting these on the for trade thread as i would like something a bit smaller but for the price i was not picky on the size.