Originally Posted by
bitingduck
the 8 am group is way more civilized anyway, as far as pack and traffic behavior. You'll learn more about group riding on that than the 8:30 group. The Tue/Thu rose bowl ride has historically been a terrible place to try to learn pack skills, but it may be improving now that there's some organization to it.
sadly this used to be true but is no longer, i have done the 8am ride a few times recently and the nice double paceline tempo ride is not really happening. it's more like the 8:30 ride just a little slower. maybe with the winter some order will be restored