Right on, sounds like both of these are good not great. I won't be riding a ton, so I am just looking for something well-built and a decent value.
One other question, looking at the geometry of these bikes, they seem to have the right standover height for me (33" inseam -> standover height of about 31"), but the top tube effective is a little long. My calculated top tube (from (Torso + Arm)/2 - 6)) is 20.25" and the top tube effective for these bikes is in the 22.5" area. Is that a big deal? What will that do to my ride, bearing in mind I won't be riding for more than a couple miles at a time?
Thanks for all the help.