I recently found something like takara14 described. I thought it to be worse in quality than the Varsities. The varsities seem solid and heavy, the vista just looked heavy. The ends of the stays were just crimped onto the ends of the dropout plates, no brazing or welding was visible. I was looking for a real heavy-duty rider when i found that in the trash and still decided to pass on it due to some flaky looking details. I actually took one of the wheels a week before the frame was put out in the trash at the same house and ride it occasionally with no issues, except poor braking