erig007

I'm not saying there isn't enough ventilation where there is pitzips the problem is where there isn't, the forearms and the middle back.


But if i had bought the supermicroft rather than the sugoi firewall 180 i would see no point going for the other one. It's just 2 different ways to solve the same problem. The sugoi firewall 180 is more a middle layer in a multi layers softshell approach and which can be used as an outerlayer and react like the supermicroft, when the later one is more a light outerlayer.

But if there is little differences with one layer. When looking at the whole system my way is better overall.
Let's compare what one of the best systems would be:

outerlayer : supermicroft jacket
midlayer : smartwool phd divide full zip top
baselayer : merino icebreaker 200

outerlayer: louis garneau massimo 2 jacket
midlayer: sugoi firewall 180 jacket



Above freezing temps:

supermicroft jacket + light baselayer vs firewall 180 jacket

wind resistance : front panel, arms, neck and shoulders: advantage firewall 180; forearms: advantage supermicroft; overall: advantage sugoi
breathability: back and forearms: advantage firewall 180; shoulders and underarms: advantage supermicroft; overall: advantage mec
waterproofness: front panel, arms and shoulders :advantage firewall 180; forearms and back: advantage supermicroft; overall: advantage sugoi
ability to dry: advantage supermicroft; overall: advantage mec
sweat: advantage firewall 180 (supermicroft dry, breath better but the breathable areas are better placed on the firewall 180); overall: sugoi
cold resistance: advantage firewall 180 (warmer where needed(front,arms, shoudlers) and colder where not needed); overall: advantage sugoi
visibility: advantage supermicroft; overall: advantage mec
fit: your choice (slim fit vs relaxed fit)
smellproofness: advantage supermicroft; overall: advantage mec
practicality: advantage firewall 180 (one pocket each but 2 layers vs 1); overall: advantage sugoi
price: advantage firewall 180 (85$ sugoi, 105$ mec (75$ supermicroft + 30$ base layer); overall: advantage sugoi
so to sum up:
supermicroft + light baselayer: breathability, ability to dry, visibility, smellproofness
firewall 180: wind resistance, waterproofness, cold resistance, sweat, practicality, price

So from those results the firewall 180 jacket seems better equipped for colder temperatures than the supermicroft jacket + base layer combo
Taking into account that at hotter temps a simple t shirt is enough.

Then in colder temperatures (around freezing)

combo merino icebreaker 200 top + mec supermicroft jacket vs louis garneau massimo 2 jacket + light baselayer
The same goes here as the design of the louis garneau jacket is quite similar with the sugoi firewall 180

wind resistance : front panel, arms, neck, shoulders and forearms: advantage massimo 2; overall: advantage garneau
breathability: back and forearms: advantage massimo 2; underarms : equivalent; arms: advantage equivalent; overall: advantage garneau
waterproofness: advantage massimo 2; overall: advantage garneau
ability to dry: advantage massimo 2 (merino is slow to dry); overall: advantage garneau
sweat: advantage massimo 2 (merino is better when wet but massimo 2 is better in wind resistance, breathability and ability to dry ); overall: advantage garneau
cold resistance: advantage massimo 2 (massimo 2 jacket beat the combo in wind resistance, sweat, breathability etc.); overall: advantage garneau
visibility: advantage combo; overall: advantage combo
fit: your choice (slim fit vs relaxed fit)
smellproofness: advantage combo; overall: advantage combo
practicality: advantage massimo 2 (2 jacket vs 2 but more pockets and better designed pockets ); overall: advantage garneau
price: advantage combo (176$ garneau (146$ + 30$ base layer), 119$ combo(75$ mec, 44$ icebreaker); overall: advantage combo

so to sum up:
combo supermicroft jacket + icebreaker 200 top: visibility, smellproofness, price
massimo 2 jacket + light baselayer: wind resistance, breathability, waterproofness, ability to dry, sweat, cold resistance, practicality
So from those results there isn't much to say as it is pretty obvious


Now way below freezing temperatures

combo supermicroft:
outerlayer : supermicroft jacket
midlayer : smartwool phd divide full zip top
baselayer : merino icebreaker 200

combo massimo:
outerlayer: louis garneau massimo 2 jacket
midlayer: sugoi firewall 180 jacket


wind resistance : front panel, neck, forearms: equivalent; arms, shoulders: advantage combo massimo; overall: advantage combo massimo
breathability: back, forearms : advantage combo massimo; underarms: equivalent; overall: advantage combo massimo
waterproofness: advantage combo massimo; overall: advantage combo massimo
ability to dry: advantage combo massimo (merino is slow to dry); overall: advantage combo massimo
sweat: advantage combo massimo (merino is better when wet but the combo massimo is better in wind resistance, breathability and ability to dry ); overall: advantage combo massimo
cold resistance: advantage combo massimo (the combo massimo beat the combo supermicroft in wind resistance, sweat, breathability etc.); overall: advantage combo massimo
visibility: advantage combo supermicroft; overall: advantage combo supermicroft
fit: your choice (slim fit vs relaxed fit)
smellproofness: advantage combo supermicroft; overall: advantage combo supermicroft
practicality: advantage combo massimo (2 jackets vs 3, more pockets and better designed pockets ); overall: advantage combo massimo
price: advantage combo (235$ combo massimo (146$ garneau, 85$ sugoi); 318$ combo supermicroft (75$ mec, 199$ smartwool, 44$ icebreaker); overall: advantage combo massimo

so to sum up:
combo supermicroft: visibility, smellproofness
combo massimo: wind resistance, breathability, waterproofness, ability to dry, sweat, cold resistance, practicality, price
So from those results there isn't much to say as it is pretty obvious again