Truth be told though, i think one day i may buy an actual BF. It may take me another 5 years (and in the meantime i would love a knock off) but i would like to support those guys even if i don't agree with their "complete bikes only" policy and would have to save money for a long time. But who knows, maybe they will change their minds about frames and such. Also cost is relative, perhaps one day i will have more disposable income. And if someone comes along (maybe Surly) that can make great frames for low cost,.. well so much the better. Competition it usually a healthy thing to a degree.