Yeah, just as I was about to pull the trigger on my Felt, my LBS ordered one of those Dogma 62cm bikes in. Very nice in the flesh but was just a bit out of my price range. But now with a proper bike fit under my belt, I would still need a 130mm stem to suit my position. For all the top tube length, the reach on the Dogma is still 9mm shorter than my Felt with a 605 TT