The last pair of PI shorts I tried had so much padding that I had to lower my saddle to wear them. I've started wearing tri shorts and am happy so far. Thin chamois and compression. My theory is if you have this comfortable leather saddle, why do you need such thick padding. That said, I continued to have bunching problems in the crotch until I swapped from a B17 to a narrower saddle. I'm pretty sure all this varies from rider to rider.