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Old 12-09-14, 01:21 PM
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As Dave notes, the line that defines trail is the centerline of the head tube and, in general, does not go through the hub axle. Older bikes with slack head angles don't necessarily have high trail, they also had a large rake in comparison to today's bicycles.

there are bikes with reverse rake, generally used for motorpacing. I believe this is actually to get the rider closer to the motorcycle though.
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