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Old 02-01-06, 07:23 PM
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The dates mentioned were prophetic LOL, hmm, funny coincidence on the goal for mid east independence from oil..........just happens to coincide with ME oil depletion, imagine that. All OPEC reserves are likely overstated by double, Kuwait just admitted their BS story, the others will follow, leaving Iran and Russia as sole owners of the last big viable cheap oil reserves on the planet.

well, ethanol, methanol, and synthetic fuel from coal are going to be likely replacements, some bio-fuel as well, but still no matter what this country is going to have to stop using about 25-50% of current energy usage and get used to that idea

Companies like ADM and Cargill arent going to stand by idly and let this happen.

Grassroots and bypassing the unethical and profit motivated publicly held companies will be what works, but it wont even be much of a dent in current consumption for decades.

sidenote,some of you may have noticed sugar prices climbing lately---like from $250/ton to $470/ton or so, this is what happens when SA countries have switched to ethanol bigtime and they supply cane sugar to the US.......there are far reaching and costly consequences to the US having no foresight for about a century when it comes to energy. Effects like this will quickly become felt following the rise in energy prices, call it the second wave or aftershocks. We saw 25-40% increases in energy during 2005, in 2006 we can expect more of the same, but other goods will be showing the effects as well, its been long enough for the changes to make their way thru the system now.
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