These pants are the best. When you order they are custom made based on your measurements. I've tried the performance tights, but there weren't as warm. Call Lou, he will take your order and he will custom make the tights himself. I got the Powershield tights, they are warm and nearly water proof. I had him make them extra long at the bottom to make sure everything was covered, and i also had them made to wear they ride up over the naval area, when seated on the bike. This prevents the stomach from getting cold.