Well said Nigevy, with a good LBS it is probably cheaper, and you get everything you want anyway. My Urbanite was about 1K US from the LBS with Brooks and bar ends, and LX, and schwalbe etc..., I supplied the brakes. I could have bought a Surly frame in the US for less than the Urbanite cost me in Canada, except Surly was totaly sold out. I was going to buy a Surly when I got back, but the Urbanite is a beautiful riding frame, and I decided the only thing that I really needed to change was to build my own frame for sizing. About 150 total for all frame parts home built (still a dream).