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    Getting sick...

    It happens. How do you deal with it? Train through it or RnR until over?

    About junior.
    It happens when he is the fittest.
    It happens when trying to be team-like and hanging out with others.
    Last year he rode/trained through his cold and it seemed to take 1+ months to get over it, but he trained during it.
    This time, we shut him down - for a week and seems other than hacking and nose drips he's on the up side.

    Any wisdom?

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    depends on the type of illness

    on sinus stuff, a lot of zicam works for me (though it may not work for others). Usually takes 4-5 days of full rest to get over, but i can resume normal training pretty much right after

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    If it's all in my sinuses, and I have good energy levels, I exercise without hesitation.

    If there is coughing, fever, excessive fatigue, etc - full rest.

    No difference in duration or severity when training through head cold.
    The effect of exercise training on the severity and duration of a viral upper respiratory illness. - PubMed - NCBI

    Overview and a few scenarios
    Common sports-related infections: a review on clinical pictures, management and time to return to sports. - PubMed - NCBI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doge View Post
    Any wisdom?
    Back when in the USCF coaching clinics Dr. Burke made a point that Juniors are not only developing mentally and physically and have to be prevented from hurting themselves w/ gearing restrictions and monitoring over zealous training loads/distance but that their immune systems haven't been exposed to all the bugs that we shrug off on the N-th exposure. I remember him saying "Your juniors may be fast and fearless but they are still Children and need sleep, good food and recovery." Mono used to be a big risk 40 years ago, that would wipe out a season for young riders.

    Shut down, good plan.

    PS: A dad frequently transported several Juniors in his van to races, it was referred to as "The Plague Ship" and should have flown the Yellow Flag with all of the hacking/wheezing aboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    If it's all in my sinuses, and I have good energy levels, I exercise without hesitation.
    I will add that I do take ibuprofen and pseudoephedrine (Advil cold and sinus). Not only does it make you feel better it can aid healing. The NSAID reduces inflammation in the sinuses and eustachian tube allowing for better drainage, the decongestant helps reduce postnasal drip related complications.

    It is permitted if you follow the directions on the package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doge View Post

    Any wisdom?
    probably talk to a doctor rather than getting medical advice for your kid on an internet forum.
    Quote Originally Posted by the collective bf.net consciousness
    it depends

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
    probably talk to a doctor rather than getting medical advice for your kid on an internet forum.
    What doctor have you met that understands racing? We share Horner's doctor. I assure you, doctors are of very little help.
    Last edited by Doge; 05-19-15 at 06:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doge View Post
    We share Horner's doctor.
    Oh boy... =]

    I think it really does depend on so much that answers that work for us won't work for your kid or anyone else.. athletes get sick on-form, get sick when off-form, non-athletes get sick too.

    Eat well, sleep well, take vitamins to make sure you're getting everything you need.

    Besides that, I dunno - I take days off if I need to, no big deal. If I was sick for more than a week I'd go see a doc.
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    I got a head cold this this spring and tried riding through it. It ended up in my chest and I could barely breath for two days. Two weeks off the bike after that. I know it puts a dent in the training schedule, but a little bit of R and R when sick is never a bad thing. Trying to ride through it could be though.

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    I'm no pro or Cat 1 or anything. If I don't feel good and I have no compelling reason to go to a race I stay at home. Like tonight.
    "...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson

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    I can usually tell when I'm about to get sick as like JR it comes when my fitness/form is the best and I am nearing the end of a tough block of training or racing. I also have to be careful with nutrition as when I drop weight I can drop it too quickly and put myself into trouble there as well.
    I was on the edge this weekend with a sore throat and a bit of sinus pressure so I took 2 nights of 10 hours of sleep and a bunch of clean eating and I'm back up and running. I am taking a rest week after today as planned so that will make sure I don't go backwards at all.

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    I think it is best to shut it all down when sick. It makes sense to me that resting fully and recovering fully leaves you able to train harder after you get well. An unscheduled rest week or two is a bummer, but it is much better than being subpar for a month.

    Of course, I do not practice what I preach. I am currently getting over some sort of sinus infection, it's been just about two weeks. This was what I did, day by day:

    1. healthy, raced, did well
    2. healthy, 1 hour Z1
    3. starting to get sick, rest
    4. seems like a cold, 1.5 hours Z1
    5. still seems like a cold, 3 hour hard team ride (not quite race pace)
    6. feeling worse, rest
    7. fever, spent most of the day in bed
    8. fever broke, feeling better, very congested, clearly some sort of sinus infection, 1 hour easy
    9. unchanged, 2 hours with 4x5m Z5
    10. unchanged, 1 hour easy
    11. unchanged, raced, got dropped
    12. unchanged, rest
    13. feeling much better, still moderately congested, 4 hours Z2
    14. feeling better, only mildly congested, 1 hour Z1

    In hindsight I think that was all really stupid, and wasted a race day. I should have just rested until I felt better, then resumed training, and not tried to race (or be prepared to race) on day 11.

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    I don't get sick. I don't touch random people and I don't starve myself (entirely).

    When I was a triathlete I got sick all the time from the pool. Germ city.

    Prolly just jinxed myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    Oh boy... =]...
    That should be another thread.

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    I am around a lot of illness due to the nature of my work and I have found that erring on the side of more rest is always better for me.

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    take zinc, magnesium, and when you begin to feel anything hammer echinacea and more zinc.

    sleep a lot. if you want to train all the damn time, which you have to if you want to be good at this sport, you have to sleep a lot and eat well.

    (posting this guarantees I get sick next week, I know.)

    steer clear of that weird alcohol lotion. it just breeds stronger bugs.

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    I cut a garlic clove into slices and eat that **** and spend the next 20 minutes wondering why I ate it. I'll do this 1x/day...Also the usual rest stuff, eat a bit more, longer showers, tea, etc.
    Is trick from science!

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    plus vampires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    I think it is best to shut it all down when sick. It makes sense to me that resting fully and recovering fully leaves you able to train harder after you get well. An unscheduled rest week or two is a bummer, but it is much better than being subpar for a month.

    Of course, I do not practice what I preach. I am currently getting over some sort of sinus infection, it's been just about two weeks. This was what I did, day by day:

    1. healthy, raced, did well
    2. healthy, 1 hour Z1
    3. starting to get sick, rest
    4. seems like a cold, 1.5 hours Z1
    5. still seems like a cold, 3 hour hard team ride (not quite race pace)
    6. feeling worse, rest
    7. fever, spent most of the day in bed
    8. fever broke, feeling better, very congested, clearly some sort of sinus infection, 1 hour easy
    9. unchanged, 2 hours with 4x5m Z5
    10. unchanged, 1 hour easy
    11. unchanged, raced, got dropped
    12. unchanged, rest
    13. feeling much better, still moderately congested, 4 hours Z2
    14. feeling better, only mildly congested, 1 hour Z1

    In hindsight I think that was all really stupid, and wasted a race day. I should have just rested until I felt better, then resumed training, and not tried to race (or be prepared to race) on day 11.
    Viral URTI complicated by secondary bacterial sinusitis (two sicknesses) This is kind of what I was referring too above in how colds medications may actually be therapeutic in certain circumstances. The bacteria can only take hold because you've damaged the tissues and reduced airflow from all the cold symptoms.

    IMHO - not a doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post

    5. still seems like a cold, 3 hour hard team ride (not quite race pace)
    If you like your teammates don't do group rides while sick.

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    Having recently come down with and worked through a rough illness, I prefer to shut it down if I feel like crap. I'm not making or losing money on this, so I prefer to stay as healthy as I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    If you like your teammates don't do group rides while sick.
    I guess it depends on how "close" you are with them..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
    probably talk to a doctor rather than getting medical advice for your kid on an internet forum.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    Viral URTI complicated by secondary bacterial sinusitis (two sicknesses) This is kind of what I was referring too above in how colds medications may actually be therapeutic in certain circumstances. The bacteria can only take hold because you've damaged the tissues and reduced airflow from all the cold symptoms.

    IMHO - not a doctor.
    We had had some success post races / hard rides with one Zinc lozenge. That being killing the bacteria that may go after damaged tissues resulting from the respiration from a hard race - or dry weather.

    I think he has picked this stuff up in the car where the team hangs together when it is cold before the race/or after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    I guess it depends on how "close" you are with them..
    everyone sharing germs trying to snatch dollar bills out of sweaty ass cracks at team camp...

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