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Old 08-10-17, 09:43 PM   #9476
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Spent about an hour on the mtb this afternoon. Easy, still just trying to focus on handling there. The ground was super loose and sandy and I think I was running about 5 psi too low. No way to carry speed in the deeper stuff. Fun, though.

On the note of coaches, how do y'all find coaches? When I was in Seattle I knew who was who. Now that I'm here I've asked around and just got one name (or team of coaches). Been trying to network myself with a guy here, but I'm not sure he actually does any coaching :/.
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Spent about an hour on the mtb this afternoon. Easy, still just trying to focus on handling there. The ground was super loose and sandy and I think I was running about 5 psi too low. No way to carry speed in the deeper stuff. Fun, though.

On the note of coaches, how do y'all find coaches? When I was in Seattle I knew who was who. Now that I'm here I've asked around and just got one name (or team of coaches). Been trying to network myself with a guy here, but I'm not sure he actually does any coaching :/.
depends. word-of-mouth is usually a good start, but you have to remember that some folks don't know what they don't know, or, rather, think that when they've tested one product it is necessarily 'the best'. (this happens with power meters, bikes, and all kinds of products and services.)

with coaching in particular, there is no 'best coach' -- it's all about fit of rider with coach.

do you require a local coach? some athletes need it; some coaches actually do not want it. (if a client lives in an area where you ride all the time, you can wind up always being on the clock.)

there are pros and cons to local and remote.

circling back, experience of a trusted friend (or direct interaction) seems to be the #1 source of clients for me. any good coach should take the time to learn about what you want to achieve and your rider profile, and be willing to refer you to someone else if they feel like they cannot help.

that said, more often than not most coaches requirement of 'coach-athlete fit' is "will their check clear every month?" that's sad.
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On the note of coaches, how do y'all find coaches? When I was in Seattle I knew who was who. Now that I'm here I've asked around and just got one name (or team of coaches). Been trying to network myself with a guy here, but I'm not sure he actually does any coaching :/.
When I moved cross country, I went to the local association google group and asked for recommendations for coaches. I received a lot of feedback and then went through the process of interviewing them to look for fit.

As tetonrider said, it's all about fit. Know what you want when talking with people. I emphasized very local over other things and while my fitness improved I didn't get what I wanted overall and am in the process of making a switch.
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Woke up this morning and decided all my problems on the bike were going to be cured by going so hard I'd choke on my phlegmatic leanings as of late. There was a lot of choking but my lungs seem to finally agree on working conditions. Top 10 on all but two segments. Short and sweet.
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Old 08-11-17, 03:20 PM   #9480
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So, I've actually started training again after two seasons of sitting on my ass. (riding 2-3 times a week, but no training, and not many hard rides).

Did steady state intervals last night. I'm finding my quads are hurting and much more of a limiting factor than they have been for me in the past.

As long as I can remember aerobic capacity has always been the limiter for me long before my legs fatigued.

Today did an 86 mile endurance ride, and 60 in my legs were fried and aching, before I otherwise felt spent.

My question is whether 1) this is to be expected due to my layoff, and will improve over time, or
2) is the result of aging (racing age 58) and the new normal for me.

My guess is more 1 than 2, but age may be part of the equation.
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Forget intervals until snow has flown and do some lower level rebuilding, with no pressure, mixed in with a couple short hard rides? Get plenty of rest but keep the pressure on just enough you never quite recover. Always a little unbalanced which forces you to alternate what aspect of fitness or skill you are working on that day. This has been my game plan under very similar circumstances.

At any age you need to prepare for the longer miles and harder work before you can do it day in and day out.
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So, I've actually started training again after two seasons of sitting on my ass. (riding 2-3 times a week, but no training, and not many hard rides).

Did steady state intervals last night. I'm finding my quads are hurting and much more of a limiting factor than they have been for me in the past.

As long as I can remember aerobic capacity has always been the limiter for me long before my legs fatigued.

Today did an 86 mile endurance ride, and 60 in my legs were fried and aching, before I otherwise felt spent.

My question is whether 1) this is to be expected due to my layoff, and will improve over time, or
2) is the result of aging (racing age 58) and the new normal for me.

My guess is more 1 than 2, but age may be part of the equation.
I don't know of another way to feel spent?
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Old 08-11-17, 05:46 PM   #9483
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I don't know of another way to feel spent?
when I am most fit my lungs will fail me first and I get the "I'm drowning in air" feeling of being hypoxic before my legs ever hurt.

my muscles also never hurt when lifting weights. I just either can move the weight or cannot move the weight. no burn.
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when I am most fit my lungs will fail me first and I get the "I'm drowning in air" feeling of being hypoxic before my legs ever hurt.

my muscles also never hurt when lifting weights. I just either can move the weight or cannot move the weight. no burn.
that has always been me, till now
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So, I've actually started training again after two seasons of sitting on my ass. (riding 2-3 times a week, but no training, and not many hard rides).

Did steady state intervals last night. I'm finding my quads are hurting and much more of a limiting factor than they have been for me in the past.

As long as I can remember aerobic capacity has always been the limiter for me long before my legs fatigued.

Today did an 86 mile endurance ride, and 60 in my legs were fried and aching, before I otherwise felt spent.

My question is whether 1) this is to be expected due to my layoff, and will improve over time, or
2) is the result of aging (racing age 58) and the new normal for me.

My guess is more 1 than 2, but age may be part of the equation.
Ummm...I think the first bolded statement explains the second one.

Give yourself a break. You haven't trained for a while, of course hitting it hard again is going to hurt for a while. Your legs will remember what they're supposed to be doing before long. Remember that you're 58, not 28, and ramp things up gradually.

Note that this is NOT your new normal. You're not as fit as you were when you trained consistently; as you get back in shape, you'll regain your speed and endurance.

If you don't have a copy of Joe Friel's Fast After 50, I recommend you get one. One of the things Friel brings out in that book is that aerobic capacity (aka VO2 max) is most affected as we age, but its loss can be slowed by focusing on training that level. There's a lot of other good stuff in that book too.
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i get that, and good advice.

i have been working up a decent base, having done several 60-70 mile rides in the last month.

Current goal is Pisgah Monster Cross in a month. 70 miles, mixed road and gravel with 11,000 feet climbing.

I figure I need to be comfortable with 100 plus miles of pavement on the flats to be ready for that.
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No matter how fit you are, that one's gonna leave a mark!
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Took too long getting out of bed at our (new!) place to discover that my parents had left early on their way down to help me finish up moving and packing. Maybe I'll squeeze one in tomorrow, but it will likely be another weekend completely off the bike. At this rate, my legs should fall off from atrophy fairly soon .

Fortunately I see the light at the end of the tunnel, and will be able to start training again before too long.
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Don't pull a TKP and hurt yourself moving.

60 miles doing what I hope is the screwiest group ride this year. I got yelled at for being right about a .1 mile detour while they insisted on badgering the group onto a 4 mile one, I got yelled at for sitting on the front tattooing out a steady 20 mph (Same controlled pace there as every other week), I got yelled at when I wasn't anywhere near the old yellers. None of which dampened my mood since I'm finally starting to feel halfway decent on the bike. Not quite up to the flatland speed of guys with tree trunks for legs, but certainly moving up in the group at 35 when I need to.

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Didn't post yesterday, but I went out to try doing the long ride I had planned for Weednesday. Made it 7 minutes down the road and... flat. Walked it home so I could use a real pump. Tried again. Made it 40 minute away, could shift into the big ring... again. Stopped and my cranks had come loose... again. Borrowed a hex from an auto shop to get it tightened down and bailed on the ride to go home.

Brought the cranks to Rotor (down in SLC) and I had the wrong spacers set up. The guy who sent me these cranks sent me the wrong ones... Fiexed up, tuned the FD and seemed to work fien after that.

Today I tried AGAIN to go do that long ride. Made it half way up the first canyon and... flat. This was theonly issue onthe entire ride besides running out of water about 15 minutes earlier than I wanted to.

My power meter is acting up still. Definitely reading lower than my old one and upon post-analysis, it's reporting 100% of my power is coming from the right sidie which I know is not correct. I think I'm going to have to send p2m an email and see what they have to say.
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Were all the flats in the same tire? If so, it sounds suspiciously like you picked up something like a glass shard or a piece of tire wire. Try running a cotton ball on the inside of the tire and see if something snags on it.
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Were all the flats in the same tire? If so, it sounds suspiciously like you picked up something like a glass shard or a piece of tire wire. Try running a cotton ball on the inside of the tire and see if something snags on it.
3 flats on 3 different tires. First one was a thorn or maybe a pinch on some bumpy gravel (front gp4000s2). 2nd was a nail and that tire is toast(rear michelin power). 3rd was a very small piece of wire(rear gp 4000s2).
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Dang, if it weren't for bad luck, you'd have NO luck.
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Dang, if it weren't for bad luck, you'd have NO luck.
Flats come in waves for me. I made it all winter and race season with no flats. I actually had my wheel crack before I had any flat tire problems. Last summer, same thing happened. One month with ~10 flats.
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Today my son and I rented downhill bikes at Mt Bachelor. I thought, well this is going to be easy: to ride up the chairlift and coast down. How hard could it be?

Oh, boy. I could not have been more wrong. I am wiped out.
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Was able to do 3x15 ascending tempo stuff yesterday. Started the first interval conservatively, did the last one at what my usual watts would be.

My cadence is way, wayyy higher right now than before the layoff. My avg. rpm for the efforts were 102, 105, and 105, which is like 10-15 higher than normal. Also everything is nose breathing. Considering this has been the longest amount of time I've ridden so little in years, this might have been a blessing in disguise?
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Today my son and I rented downhill bikes at Mt Bachelor. I thought, well this is going to be easy: to ride up the chairlift and coast down. How hard could it be?

Oh, boy. I could not have been more wrong. I am wiped out.
I brought my mtb up to the local ski resort and tried to take runs yesterday as well. Had planned it to be an easy day. Ooh boy was I wrong. 2 crashes on rocks and the ending up having to turn and ride back up the fire road to the gondola meant I was more tired than recovered.
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Good upper body workout!

I did manage to escape for a little over an hour on the MTB yesterday, in the midst of moving and catching up on Game of Thrones . Florida Canyon/Balboa Park is a 10 min easy ride from my new place - looks like I'm going to be a regular out there.
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Physical Therapist gave me a diagnosis, I tore where a tendon connects into muscle in one of the adductors called the pectineus. Because it's sorta tendon related it takes forever to heal, buuuuut it'll definitely return to 100% normal and I'm allowed to continue ramping up the training as pain allows. Also I got yelled at for being inflexible and have a list of stretches I am supposed to do on the regular for now on, the ones I currently do have been missing the hamstrings.
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Good to hear you aren't severely broken. You planning on take the safe road to next year or killing it this Fall?
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