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Old 08-13-17, 08:45 AM   #1676
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That's a good point. I don't know too many well-off 1/2s or domestic pros. Most of the teams are broke AF too!
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That's a good point. I don't know too many well-off 1/2s who aren't M40+.
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That's a good point. I don't know too many well-off 1/2s or domestic pros. Most of the teams are broke AF too!
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I don't personally spend a lot of mental energy wondering who's doping, but I'd agree that the "jeez that guy doesn't look right" guys are usually 40+. Sometimes there's a whole team of masters guys that don't look right. It is, as they say, what it is.
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spending all the monies on ego
Redecorating your bathroom and keeping full length mirrors everywhere else isn't cheap.

The answer for many thousands of years has always been choosing the athletic lifestyle at exclusion of most everything else in life. Especially what is taken into one's body and mind. I maintain eradication of the entire culture of drugs is the only way forward that matters. The rest is just a bunch of fickle minded cycling enthusiasts discussing sports and smelling each others farts.
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Old 08-14-17, 01:30 PM   #1681
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I don't personally spend a lot of mental energy wondering who's doping, but I'd agree that the "jeez that guy doesn't look right" guys are usually 40+. Sometimes there's a whole team of masters guys that don't look right. It is, as they say, what it is.
I have no idea what the **** the post above me is about, but nobody get me wrong: I also think doping is most prevalent among masters dudes. I just don't think it's bicep-related. I think it's "I'm not as good as I used to be" or "I'd be better if I were younger" related and the guys who I have raced against who were popped looked like masters cyclists. Not brawny.

Exclude Kale - he was popped the first time before 35!
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I can understand a lot of the motivation of masters racers to dope.

I've mentioned this before, but I messed up my knee pretty badly about 5 years ago. It took a good year to heal, and then it was a long road back to getting strong on the bike, as well as get over fears of re-injury. There was a moment during that time when I was struggling pretty badly, and I remember thinking, "Man, if there was just something I could take to make me fast again," and after I had that thought, I realized, there is something I could take, and it is called doping.

I'm still not as fast as I was before the injury - or maybe everyone else is faster, who knows.
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I have on several occasions seen masters guys after a race throwing HUGE hissy fits at their cars about the outcome of a race. Always makes me wonder how much of that is 'roid rage' and how much is just anger management issues
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Chances are they threw the same hissy fits their whole life. Doesn't do anyone any good to even consider making false accusations, ie red scare McCarthyism.
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I mean, pros dope the most.
At least 2 of those in B&W legally doped.
Or does doping by definition mean breaking the rules?

In the case of being an older person needing some drug help to heal - might be worth it. Then sit out a year/look at the length of time you need to be off. I've been told by a few that know, that it is generally worth while for females to take HGH/Testosterone, then stop and get in when legal. Many of the benefits will linger.
That is legal also.
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Old 08-15-17, 10:54 PM   #1686
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Watching "Icarus" on Netflix.

So far it's some masters fred taking EPO to win a grand fondo? I think someone else said this, but how many times is someone gonna do the "I'm gonna dope as a journalist so it's ok" thing?!

It's an interesting subject, and a well done movie, but there's no need for this guy to dope to see how it works or whatever. He just wanted to dope, plain and simple.
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Old 08-16-17, 07:13 AM   #1687
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Yeah, you can see how upset it makes him that he doesn't do well in his target race. He definitely just wanted a result!
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This is not a comfortable watch, but I pretty much think he has it right on the fix (no TUEs/exceptions etc.) and, while unpopular, a likely accurate view of those watching sports: "People watch because of the drama, who cares why the guy won." - think NFL.

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