Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 26

Thread: rule question

  1. #1
    Pack Fodder bigchris603's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Keene, NH
    Posts
    100
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    rule question

    I was reading the results of a race on bikereg.com. when i saw this notation next to a few of the riders names "Warning: Rule 1.K.4.b". what is this rule or where can i find it?

  2. #2
    jerk chairsmissing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    WDC
    Posts
    69
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    1K4(b). Riders shall place their numbers as prescribed by the officials and in such a way that they are visible when the rider is in a racing position. Hip numbers shall be attached securely at least at the four corners and no accessory may cover them. If shoulder or frame numbers are provided, they too shall be placed as prescribed. Numbers may not be folded, trimmed, crumpled, or otherwise defaced. [Replacement of the numbers at riders' expense if noted before the start, otherwise warning or relegation.]

  3. #3
    Blast from the Past Voodoo76's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Schertz TX
    My Bikes
    Old ones
    Posts
    2,474
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    So are we gonna have another "crumpled number" debate?

  4. #4
    jerk chairsmissing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    WDC
    Posts
    69
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    if you want to avoid penalty then there's no debate. however many many people crumple. i've been a crumpler. i crumple. never been penalized, but i crumple.

    crumple.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    My Bikes
    '04 Cannondale R600
    Posts
    116
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by chairsmissing
    if you want to avoid penalty then there's no debate. however many many people crumple. i've been a crumpler. i crumple. never been penalized, but i crumple.

    crumple.
    Hell, I would go so far as to say that 90% of the field crumples in the races I've seen. Why is that rule even on the books if it is so openly ignored?

  6. #6
    jerk chairsmissing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    WDC
    Posts
    69
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    i believe its a saveguard for the judges. they are not responsible for misplaced results due to obscured numbers. racers crumple, and thats that, but arguing for placement when the video finish can't pick up a screwy number sure makes scoring difficult and impractical. its all part of the lubricant to make officiating more efficient.

  7. #7
    The cycling student. cyclingute's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Salt Lake City
    My Bikes
    Orbea XLR8R, C-dale Caad4 Aero TT.
    Posts
    124
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by jreeder
    Hell, I would go so far as to say that 90% of the field crumples in the races I've seen. Why is that rule even on the books if it is so openly ignored?
    As an official who scores races (writes down/talks to my digital recorder/whatever to get the numbers) the non-crumpled number is easier to read than a crumpled number. As a racer, I liked to crumple the numbers because they are easier to get 'aero'. Since I officiate, and I like to be able to read the numbers, as a racer I no longer crumple the numbers.

    As to why it's a rule? Your guess is a least as good as mine. My hypothesis is that a group of officials got mad, put it out to a vote (remember when we voted on rules as USCF members?), and it passed. Just my guess.
    Go Utes,
    and to quote the biggest
    University of Utah homer, Tom Barberi, "Utah by 5!!!"

  8. #8
    El Diablo 2Rodies's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Austin Tx, Ex So Cal
    My Bikes
    Cannondale CAAD8/Record 10s, Felt DA700 Chorus 10s,
    Posts
    2,750
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by chairsmissing
    if you want to avoid penalty then there's no debate. however many many people crumple. i've been a crumpler. i crumple. never been penalized, but i crumple.

    crumple.
    Hello my name is Michael and I too am a crumpler (is that even a word?). I've never been dinged for it and as far as I can tell neither has anyone I know. This may be one of those rules that all officials ignore.

  9. #9
    Announcer EventServices's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    In the drops.
    My Bikes
    Too many and not enough
    Posts
    4,994
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I crumple all the time.
    I've been crumpling for a long time.

    But, having said that, I'm also a smoother-outer.

    The rule is there in case they ever need to settle a dispute.
    Or if the Official's name is Gary.

  10. #10
    The cycling student. cyclingute's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Salt Lake City
    My Bikes
    Orbea XLR8R, C-dale Caad4 Aero TT.
    Posts
    124
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Would that official be Gary Bywater?
    Go Utes,
    and to quote the biggest
    University of Utah homer, Tom Barberi, "Utah by 5!!!"

  11. #11
    Announcer EventServices's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    In the drops.
    My Bikes
    Too many and not enough
    Posts
    4,994
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Nope. But every district has one like him, though.

  12. #12
    Blast from the Past Voodoo76's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Schertz TX
    My Bikes
    Old ones
    Posts
    2,474
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Is this the Crumplers Anonamous meeting??

  13. #13
    Announcer EventServices's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    In the drops.
    My Bikes
    Too many and not enough
    Posts
    4,994
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Yeah, it's held right after the Bad-Speller's Anonymous meeting.

    ha ha ha ha Voodoo! ha ha ha ha hAH AH AHSDHDAS DHAS (convulsions ensue)

  14. #14
    Evil Genius capsicum's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Sumner, WA
    My Bikes
    '92 novara ponderosa, '74 schwinn le tour, Novara fusion, novara transfer, novara randonee(2), novara careema pro, novara bonita(2).
    Posts
    1,529
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    At the last race I was at the officials told everyone at sign in to crumple there tyvek, so it would lay flatter and not flap in the breeze.
    "Data is not the plural form of annecdote."
    "yuo ned to be deadurcated"

  15. #15
    Blast from the Past Voodoo76's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Schertz TX
    My Bikes
    Old ones
    Posts
    2,474
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices
    Yeah, it's held right after the Bad-Speller's Anonymous meeting.

    ha ha ha ha Voodoo! ha ha ha ha hAH AH AHSDHDAS DHAS (convulsions ensue)
    Is this the Bad Spellers Anonamus thread?

  16. #16
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Northern VA
    Posts
    46
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I too am an USCF official and race as well.

    I also know the problems with scoring (especially when viewing the video from the finish).

    Guys (& Gals), do yourself and us a favor. Put your numbers under your arms (i.e. along the side of your jersey). Besides, making it easier for the camera to pick up your numbers and for us to identify you, you can eliminate some of the drag from the number because it's not on your back but under your arm.

    Every race, there are numerous occasions when we can't read numbers because they are too high and the glare from the sun washes out the number (or part of it) on the video.

    Not this isn't explicitly stated in the USCF rulebook, but, this suggest helps you and the officials.

    Please consider it.
    --

  17. #17
    Evil Genius capsicum's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Sumner, WA
    My Bikes
    '92 novara ponderosa, '74 schwinn le tour, Novara fusion, novara transfer, novara randonee(2), novara careema pro, novara bonita(2).
    Posts
    1,529
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Krumpling also reduces glare. At the XC MTB race I did where they told us to crumple, they also told us to put it under our arm. They even had a right way and a wrong way picture showing number placement.

    Which did no good as my hydropack had a waist strap that obscured the number.
    "Data is not the plural form of annecdote."
    "yuo ned to be deadurcated"

  18. #18
    Since Ever Since Devil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    1,574
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    What's the benefit of "crumpling", and what exactly is it? Why do you guys do it? I'm not a racer/rider.

  19. #19
    Senior Member filtersweep's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    2,615
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Race series and stage races both require racers to reuse our numbers. They simply become crumpled through use.

  20. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    271
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I love number crumplers, I especially like their indignant disbelief at being excluded from the result when they haven't claimed their place as requested and have no basis for a protest.

    Keep crumpling guys but please just stop wondering why the guys who start a race prepared to win keep beating you.

  21. #21
    Elitist Jackass Smoothie104's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Georgia
    My Bikes
    Cannondale 2.8, Specialized S-works E5 road, GT Talera
    Posts
    3,263
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Devil
    What's the benefit of "crumpling", and what exactly is it? Why do you guys do it? I'm not a racer/rider.

    Devil, when you sign in at the races, they give your your number, which is printed on some strong thick ripstop paper. Its somtimes stiff and when you pin it on, it never wants to lay flat. Some guys think that if it is catching wind like a parachute, its going to slow them down.

    By crumpling it up, and then smoothing it out, it softens the material and allows it to lay flatter. The Pros wear them on thier backs, but in the USCF races, you are asked to wear it on your side, left of right, depnding on where the camera/announcer is.

  22. #22
    Evil Genius capsicum's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Sumner, WA
    My Bikes
    '92 novara ponderosa, '74 schwinn le tour, Novara fusion, novara transfer, novara randonee(2), novara careema pro, novara bonita(2).
    Posts
    1,529
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Tyvek house wrap, is the stuff they print on. It is a water proof, nearly tear proof, vapor barrier, and rot proof plastic-paper. US priority mail envelopes are also made of the stuff.
    "Data is not the plural form of annecdote."
    "yuo ned to be deadurcated"

  23. #23
    sundy hopeful berny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    My Bikes
    Connondale MTB, Malvern Star (historic) Orbea, GT (newest)
    Posts
    1,068
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    My guess is that if you shave you have to crumple or you just ain't legit.

    [Can you imagine some dude fronting the starter with hairy legs and a non crumpled No. Makes you sick just thinking about it.]
    The consumption of alcohol may create the illusion that you are tougher, smarter, faster and better looking than most people.

  24. #24
    Since Ever Since Devil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    1,574
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Makes sense. Thanks for the explanations guys.

  25. #25
    Senior Member classic1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    5,019
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by berny
    My guess is that if you shave you have to crumple or you just ain't legit.

    [Can you imagine some dude fronting the starter with hairy legs and a non crumpled No. Makes you sick just thinking about it.]
    I'm a bit worried Berny, that almost made sense!

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •