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    stage 19: SAVIGLIANO- SESTRIERE (Le Valli Olimpiche)

    stage 19: SAVIGLIANO- SESTRIERE (Le Valli Olimpiche), 190 km


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    Holy crap! Has anyone checked out this climb tomorrow? 18.5k AVERAGE 9.5%! To make matters worse (or better, depending on how you look at it) the last 7.9k is unpaved.

    RAI just had a piece with Cunego and Simoni training on it. It's wild looking - just a one-lane road. The unpaved section looks more like a path through the woods than a road. With a big Saturday crowd up there it's gonna be crazy.

    Salvoldelli got himself a cushion today, but if someone blows on the Colle della Finestre they'll lose a bunch of time.

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    That film was taken in the winter, when they reccied it with Davide Cassani for RAI.

    See the thread "Are they really going to ride this?" for what I think is news.

    Ciao...Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by GV27
    Holy crap! Has anyone checked out this climb tomorrow? 18.5k AVERAGE 9.5%! To make matters worse (or better, depending on how you look at it) the last 7.9k is unpaved.
    Yes, this is the climb this year. Even bigger than the Stelvio, closer to the finish and less descending for Savoldelli to gain/regain time on.

    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
    I took the one less travelled by,
    And that has made all the difference.
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    But Savoldelli has a nice descent before this climb to gain some extra time. I think it's going to be a historic battle tomorrow.

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    Man, that's a ludicrous finish. I'll be enjoying it from a safe distance in my recliner under a ceiling fan with a cold beer at my side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spasticrobot
    But Savoldelli has a nice descent before this climb to gain some extra time. I think it's going to be a historic battle tomorrow.
    True, but most of it is a pretty gentle grade (dropping 800 metres in 36 kilometres) and a rather big (by Alpine standards) so probably not very technical -> bad for Savoldelli. The GC (top 4) is almost perfectly balanced after today for a spectacular stage tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Csson
    True, but most of it is a pretty gentle grade (dropping 800 metres in 36 kilometres) and a rather big (by Alpine standards) so probably not very technical -> bad for Savoldelli. The GC (top 4) is almost perfectly balanced after today for a spectacular stage tomorrow.
    However, this means that any attack on the first climb can be easily neutralized, so I would expect the climbers not to spend themselves much until they get to the Finestre climb. Are we going to see Rujano waste his energy attacking the first climb, and then get swallowed on the descent? I hope not, now that the mountain jersey is securely his.

    Maybe Basso will take it, and whichever contender can stick to his wheel wins the GC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Csson
    True, but most of it is a pretty gentle grade (dropping 800 metres in 36 kilometres) and a rather big (by Alpine standards) so probably not very technical -> bad for Savoldelli. The GC (top 4) is almost perfectly balanced after today for a spectacular stage tomorrow.

    most of that descent isn't that steep is it... which means that if one of the leaders can get some team mates over that climb with him.. or if the team mates where in an early break so they can meet up with him on the other side, he has a chance at staying away and getting to the Finestre climb with a gap without doing that much work... that's really only an option for Simoni i think... or Basso might try that to take some glory... i have a feeling the leaders are going to completely ignore Basso like they did on Thursday though... he is 40mins down so who cares what he does. if he or his team is there they can be opportunistic, but they are not going to bet the farm on using Basso... plus Basso is going to expect you to do some work too... if you depend on your own team they are going to go until they drop for you. This is being pretty bold though and I think the Finestre climb is well suited to Simoni especially and Rujano so they will likely wait and use the 1st Sestriere climb to soften everyone up and make a move on the Finestre... i can't believe they are going to wait 'til the go back up the Sestriere climb again to attack Salvodelli. Salvodelli needs to just hang on. It's been a nice ride, but it looks as if the writing is on the wall for Di Luca... what's up with Cioni not helping him on Thursday? you know, Garate has an outside chance too...

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    I say Simoni takes the stage, Basso challenges him for the stage, but Savoldelli will do enough to cover his losses and keep the maglia rosa. Rujano will collect the points on the first climb and recede into the peloton before the Finestre. Just as well he'll lock up the maglia verde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Csson
    That image reminds me of The Price is Right's Cliff Hanger game. You just need some ambient yodelling in the background to make it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorSpoc
    most of that descent isn't that steep is it... which means that if one of the leaders can get some team mates over that climb with him.. or if the team mates where in an early break so they can meet up with him on the other side, he has a chance at staying away and getting to the Finestre climb with a gap without doing that much work... that's really only an option for Simoni i think... or Basso might try that to take some glory... i have a feeling the leaders are going to completely ignore Basso like they did on Thursday though... he is 40mins down so who cares what he does. if he or his team is there they can be opportunistic, but they are not going to bet the farm on using Basso... plus Basso is going to expect you to do some work too... if you depend on your own team they are going to go until they drop for you. This is being pretty bold though and I think the Finestre climb is well suited to Simoni especially and Rujano so they will likely wait and use the 1st Sestriere climb to soften everyone up and make a move on the Finestre... i can't believe they are going to wait 'til the go back up the Sestriere climb again to attack Salvodelli. Salvodelli needs to just hang on. It's been a nice ride, but it looks as if the writing is on the wall for Di Luca... what's up with Cioni not helping him on Thursday? you know, Garate has an outside chance too...
    Cunego up the road waiting on the Finestre would be nice, maybe together with Ivan Parra.. The attacks from Simoni and Rujano must come on the Finestre, there is no way to put enough time on Savoldelli on Sestriere if he is with them on the top of Finestre.


    Quote Originally Posted by gcasillo
    I say Simoni takes the stage, Basso challenges him for the stage, but Savoldelli will do enough to cover his losses and keep the maglia rosa. Rujano will collect the points on the first climb and recede into the peloton before the Finestre. Just as well he'll lock up the maglia verde.
    Yes, Simoni must be hungry for a stage by now, but Rujano is probably the better sprinter if they are together (as on Tenda). My wild guess for the GC after tomorrow is Simoni, Rujano, Garate and Savoldelli .

    The only way (literally) for Rujano to lose Green is if he crashes out of the race, he has more than twice the points than team mate Parra in second, so no wasted efforts for GPM's.
    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcasillo
    I say Simoni takes the stage, Basso challenges him for the stage, but Savoldelli will do enough to cover his losses and keep the maglia rosa. Rujano will collect the points on the first climb and recede into the peloton before the Finestre. Just as well he'll lock up the maglia verde.

    I agree but switch Simoni w/Basso. He's on great form....too bad he got sick or this thing would already be over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Rodies
    I agree but switch Simoni w/Basso. He's on great form....too bad he got sick or this thing would already be over.
    I'm with you on that, it's a darn shame he got ill. Hey at least he's sticking it out to the finish. I have to admit that I am rooting for Savoldelli now that Basso's out of contention.

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    ...Basso might take the stage just because none of the lead really cares what he does and rightly so... they shouldn't let the lure of winning a stage cloud what they have to do and that is to put time into the other contenders, not a rider that is 40 mins down. I have a feeling that it is going to be close but i think Simoni might just pull it off... solvadelli, from his interviews, it seems that he's resolved to the fact that he's going to get dropped and it's bad that it has happened twice already... a rider can get too use to letting go... each time it has been progressively worse and this time the attacks will come earlier and this is it, no holding back now for anyone in contention... if solvadelli lets go on the Finestre.. he's going to loose really big time... and i think thats what just might go down.

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    Good analyses by everyone. My view is that Simoni must attack from far out because of his deficit. I don't think he can depend on letting Salvodelli sit on him until the ultimate climb...he would be hoping he could take 2'09" out of Salvodelli, but Salvodelli has shown resiliency under attacks in the mountains. He bends but doesn't break. So Simoni must attack on the first climb if he has any real aspirations for the maglia rosa. Salvodelli's job will be to stick with Simoni or within 2" of Simoni and thus far, Salvodelli has shown that is within his capabilities. So the key for Simoni is if he tries to escape from Salvodelli on the first climb. If he doesn't Salvodelli will remain in pink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcasillo
    Just as well he'll lock up the maglia verde.
    He did that three stages ago.

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    Is anyone watching this on the web? What an awesome race...
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    Live on TV (sorry ). It's brilliant, and Finestre was .
    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
    I took the one less travelled by,
    And that has made all the difference.
    (R. Frost)

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    That was amazing and Savoldelli holds the Pink Jersey What a ride by Rujano. Now the question is: is, like the TdF the last day mearly a parade or will they race?
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    Likewise - live on RAI 3 and EuroSport FR, but I am not sorry at all.

    However, I have a similar question. If it is close enough - a few seconds - do the second placers try to win it? Is there a rule in the race that disallows such a thing? Or is it just understood? Same holds for the TdF, and maybe the Vuelta.

    In the first two cases, the stage is easy enough that the leading team should be able to control the race, but ...

    In any case, as Auro Bulbarelli and Davide Cassani kept saying - it is unforgettable!

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    It's in "bad form" to attack withhout hope of winning or using misfortune as motivation. If the former, when the attacking rider is reeled in, he's the butt of abuse for disrupting the race. If the latter, no one will help him and he will lose fan support. If there was a realistic chance a rider could win, if this were an ITT for example, that's one thing. Tomorrow's stage is a procession for the sprinters.

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    I'm really glad that Paolo was able to win a second Giro. After all his TERRIBLE luck for the past few years, he really deserves this one. Great showings by Gibo and Rujano too. I think Simoni's still got it - he could win it next year.

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    that was one amazing race... a classic... people will be talking about that one years from now... when a saw Rujano's splits i thought... damn!!! he can take it the whole thing, then i say red flag and was like damn, he ran out of road. no stategy today just a horse race.. go as hard as you can and try and get time on the other guys was the only strategy.

    kind of sad that only one person can win... i was routing for Salvodelli and Simoni. Salvodelli 'cause he's had to come back from adversity and Simoni because i think he really re-dedicated himself this year and deserves something... guess 2nd place at the Giro IS something but...

    as for Basso.. i guess nothing has really been answered there... 20mins down today. he was obviously going for it too with all the work that CSC did. guess he just shut it down when he saw he didn't have the legs.. he shut it down pretty fast though. was he able to win on thurday because no one was looking at him?

    Di Luca is the man though... guess as the classics specialist of the group a dirt climb is nothing compared to a cobled one... but what a dirt climb that was!! he paced that whole stretch and didn't look back once.. wonder if he and Simoni had some sort of arrangement.. it's too bad he cramped on that last stretch... but there was no way even if he didn't cramp that he was going to get past Simoni or Rujano... his only hope to get on the podium was for for Salvodelli to die and that didn't happen...

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    this is the most excited i've ever been watching a stage of the Giro. It was epic, it was beautiful, it was everything a race should be.

    Applause to Simoni for laying it all out there and doing everything he could to take this race. No one can say anything negative about his Giro.

    Applause to Basso for hanging in there and fighting until the penultimate climb.

    Applause for Selle Italia and particulary Rujano for making such an impressive showing against the bigger teams.

    Applause to Salvodelli for a strong and steady effort that won him the Giro.

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