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    Michael Rogers - naive?

    After stagnating the careers of Salvodelli, Vinokourov, Evans, and so many other foreigners at T-mobile, does Michael Rogers actually believe he will be allowed to lead T-mobile to the podium in the Tour De France?

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    ...Rogers also said that the Tour de France was his ultimate goal, even if he knows that this year he will be riding in support of captain Jan Ullrich. "This year I was pretty much the leader, but going to the new team next year, we've got one of the favourites in our team to win," said Rogers, 26. "My job probably will be to look after him in the final parts of every stage, but winning is always an option for me. The Tour is the No. 1 goal, now and in the future, and I know that if I can keep working toward that, the rewards will come."

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    He's a dipsh*t if he thinks he can place at the Tour.
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    I think you've misinterpreted the quote.

    Even more surprising is him actually thinking he'll be released at the height of the Spring Classics to race the pissweak Commonwealth Games here next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warblade
    He's a dipsh*t if he thinks he can place at the Tour.
    So you think Riis and Julich are more talented than Rogers? They both made it onto the podium in Paris, and Rogers has far and away exceeded what both of them put together had accomplished by the young age of 26, which is how old Michael will be Tuesday.

    There is a free for all coming in France this summer, and I suspect Michael will be in the thick of things, not just this year but for many years to come.

    You might want to check his palmares before you count him out:

    http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/australia.Rogers-M.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltergodefroot
    So you think Riis and Julich are more talented than Rogers? They both made it onto the podium in Paris, and Rogers has far and away exceeded what both of them put together had accomplished by the young age of 26, which is how old Michael will be Tuesday.

    There is a free for all coming in France this summer, and I suspect Michael will be in the thick of things, not just this year but for many years to come.

    You might want to check his palmares before you count him out:

    http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/australia.Rogers-M.htm
    Julich, unfortunately, only placed at the Tour because of the Festina scandel. He even admits that. I could see Rogers possibly placing top 10 but not Podium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warblade
    Julich, unfortunately, only placed at the Tour because of the Festina scandel. He even admits that. I could see Rogers possibly placing top 10 but not Podium.
    So he finished third overall just 47 secs behind Ullrich, top four in every time trial, and 2nd on a key mountain stage, but only because one team got kicked out?

    Where does he admit this? Please post a link. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squeegy200
    After stagnating the careers of Salvodelli, Vinokourov, Evans, and so many other foreigners at T-mobile, does Michael Rogers actually believe he will be allowed to lead T-mobile to the podium in the Tour De France?
    Probably old news, but still interesting.


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    I'm not sure Rogers has any idea what he is doing. If the Tour is his main goal in life, then why sign for a team that already has a proven Tour big ***.

    Quickstep was his chance, but he just didn't want to play Lefeveres rules and now will be relegated to domestique every July. He would have been "the" leader at Quickstep (Sinkewitz pussied out too) and had protected status for GC, while the sprint train got out there and helped Boonen raise his arms.

    Good luck to him the rest of the year though. He should do well at the one-weekers, as he has shown in the past.

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    Read the faintly pink highlighted text at the bottom of this page.



    If you can't read the text: "To me this year is much better because I know how I got here. In 1998, when I was third at the Tour, a lot happened because of circumstance. If the Festina [doping scandal] hadn't happened, I never would..."

    Read the faintly pink highlighted text at the top of this page.



    If you can't read the text: "...have been on the podium."
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    Well, it is interesting that Julich would say that, but it is completely false reasoning since one cannot draw a conclusion based on something that didn't happen. In other words, his statement is consistent with his self effacing personality, but doesn't reflect sound logic.

    Ask yourself this: If Julich is correct, is he saying that someone on Festina would have finished between him and Ullrich? Since Julich finished only 47 seconds behind Ullrich after 21 days of racing, who would have finished ahead of Julich? Would that person have also finished ahead of Ullrich, one of the most consistent and highly placed TDF riders in history? Or would that person also have finished ahead of Pantani, winning the TDF? Neither Zulle or Virenque ever finished ahead of Ullrich in a TDF, so I dont think it particularly reasonable to think they would have done so in 1998. It's possible that one or both of them could have beaten Ullrich in 98', but it's not consistent with what actually happened.

    It is more consistent with the results that year to believe that if the Festina scandal had not occured, Festina may have placed a rider, possibly Zulle or Virenque, in the top five, since there was a 5 minute gap between Julich in 3rd place and Rinero in fourth place, and the fourth place finisher vanished into obscurity. Julich was a DNF in the 99' TDF, then he temporarily vanished into obscurity as Ullrich's domestique at Telekom, only to resurface as a stage race winner and top level time trialer.

    Unfortunately, many buy into Telekoms mentality that Julich was only worth domestique duties. On the contrary, he has ridden to a TDF stage victory in the team time trial, and victories in prestigious races like the Criterium International and Paris-Nice, to name just two.

    Perhaps Julich's self-effacing personality was why he was passed over on Telekom, where it seemed each rider had to take what he could. Botero is also of the same personality type, and experienced the same fate at Telekom.

    Thanks for posting that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YMCA
    I'm not sure Rogers has any idea what he is doing. If the Tour is his main goal in life, then why sign for a team that already has a proven Tour big ***.
    How much longer do you think Ullrich is going to race?


    Quote Originally Posted by YMCA
    Quickstep was his chance, but he just didn't want to play Lefeveres rules and now will be relegated to domestique every July. He would have been "the" leader at Quickstep (Sinkewitz pussied out too) and had protected status for GC, while the sprint train got out there and helped Boonen raise his arms.
    It's my opinion that Lefevere is a great DS for the classics but the facts are he has not been able to put together a successful GC threat in the Grand Tours. That's fact. I think Rogers sees a more balanced approach to classics and Grand Tours with T-Mobile, plus, I think he's getting paid for this move.

    Is everyone forgetting that Rogers lost the Tour de Suisse on the last day to a former Grand Tour winner? He is only 26. Patience folks. Not everyone matures like Boonen.

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    Rogers more or less admitted on Aus TV that the main reason he went to the "German national team" (my quote, not his ) was for the contract
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    Quote Originally Posted by 531Aussie
    Rogers more or less admitted on Aus TV that the main reason he went to the "German national team" was for the contract

    Yup.

    No-one enjoys handing over the folding like T-Mobile.

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    Michael Rogers - Man Ho!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 531Aussie
    Rogers more or less admitted on Aus TV that the main reason he went to the "German national team" (my quote, not his ) was for the contract
    I was at a cafe in Sydney about a month ago, post ride and listening along with a conversation with some Aussie pro tour riders, who confirmed more or less what he was signing for to go to Telekom. Pretty much triple what he was on, 3 times world champs don't come cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltergodefroot
    How much longer do you think Ullrich is going to race?

    It all depends on how much money he needs and if his results are positive.


    Quote Originally Posted by waltergodefroot
    Is everyone forgetting that Rogers lost the Tour de Suisse on the last day to a former Grand Tour winner? He is only 26. Patience folks. Not everyone matures like Boonen.
    Of course he will garner results over the next years. That much talent can shine without even trying. He just won't get to go for Tour GC as long as Ullrich is there. T-Mobile will set up there squad juat as USPS/Discovery did. All their eggs in one basket, regardless of the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YMCA
    T-Mobile will set up there squad juat as USPS/Discovery did. All their eggs in one basket, regardless of the outcome.
    You mean like they did last year when T-Mobile gave Vino free reign and the year before when Kloden finished ahead of Ullrich and Ullrich supported him to get him on the podium? They didn't look like a one trick pony team to me either year.

    I think Ullrich is near the end of his rope, and if Rogers can shine, I think he'll be given his opportunity. Personally, I think he is still a few years from achieving his potential, but he could make it onto the podium with a little luck. Lesser riders have done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltergodefroot
    You mean like they did last year when T-Mobile gave Vino free reign and the year before when Kloden finished ahead of Ullrich and Ullrich supported him to get him on the podium? They didn't look like a one trick pony team to me either year.
    They have no other choice than to improvise if Ullrich chokes. Neither rided benefited from full protection, and certainly not from stage 1 on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltergodefroot

    You might want to check his palmares before you count him out:

    http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/australia.Rogers-M.htm
    8,9,10 yeeeeeer out!

    While a very good TT rider if the course suits him, there's little that would indicate he's any kind of a GC threat at the tour. Barely cracked the top 30 in this year's final TDF TT, finished 45th in the opening TT. In the mountain stages lost gobs of time, never breaking the top ten and often finishing with the gruppetto. 42nd in 2003, 22 on GC in 2004, dropped to 41st this year. As he was the top Quick Step rider we can assume he wasn't riding as a domestique in the mountains.

    In the Tour de Swiss he couldn't hang when all the money was on the line and the race went uphill. So, if you can't keep Aitor Gonzalez from making you his beech...

    Barring some remarkable breakthrough (things can always happen), there's nothing in that palomares that would make him the Oz-on favorite for a podium, especially considering he's on T Mobile, where non-german talent goes to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warblade
    Julich, unfortunately, only placed at the Tour because of the Festina scandel. He even admits that. I could see Rogers possibly placing top 10 but not Podium.
    So he's a dipsh*t for thinking he can place, but now you can see him placing... guess that means...?

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    Means Warblades a dipsh*t ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pshaw
    So he's a dipsh*t for thinking he can place, but now you can see him placing... guess that means...?
    No, I was more thinking along the lines of top three, not top ten. Sorry for any confusement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warblade
    No, I was more thinking along the lines of top three, not top ten. Sorry for any confusement.
    Yep, cause placing top 10 but thinking you could possibly make top 3 at the tour makes you a dipsh*t.... lets see your palmares?

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    Wait what?! When did I say I could place at the Tour?! Now I'm really confused.
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    For those of you not able to follow this, a synopsis:

    Michael Rogers said Lance was a big sissy and he's going to kick everyone's butter in this year's TDF, after he cleans up the Giro pansies and before he rocks the Vuelta's world.

    Pshaw said he could beat Rogers but won't because he want the young man to "get his dew (sp)" while Warblade claims Pshaw couldn't carry his steel frame up three steps without breaking down into tears.

    Is that pretty close?

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