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Old 12-19-02, 10:04 AM   #1
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titanium vs. carbon

I'm sure this subject has been overdone, but....I'm mid-50's, became fanatical about rod biking last summer, want to upgrade from Cannondale (a fine bike but too harsh). Will never race, want to climb better, go distances longer than 25-30 (4-5x/wk.) and be less fatigued at the end. Am getting conflicting info/advice on carbon vs. titanium. Good LBS's promote what they sell...so, they don't help much. Am not expert/experienced enough to know what's what. Am 6', 215. Looking at Kestrel Talon, Litespeed Tuscany or custom (which raises a whole different set of questions) Seven or Sampson. Advice/opinions eagerly sought and appreciated.
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This has been discussed a couple of times in the last month or two. Do a search for the threads (I'd try "titanium" and "carbon" first together, and then separately).

I myself have come to the conclusion that I will most likely be getting steel when I get my new bike. For comfort, it has much to recommend it. It will be about as stiff as Ti, and cost considerably less than either Ti or C. Although I have relatively normal body proportions, I will probably go custom--mostly because I have found a builder here who does really great looking steel frames out of Stainless Steel (no rust!).

Remember, getting a bike that fits is more important than what it is made off. Whatever you do, don't compromise on fit.

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Old 12-20-02, 10:47 AM   #3
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I was in the same EXACT situation and ended up with a Calfee Luna Pro with Campy Chorus
www.calfeedesign.com

I first test rode the CAAD7 (alum) liked it, fast
Then a LeMond Zurich (steel) liked it better, more comfortable
Then a Litespeed Venetto (Ti) like it even more
Then a Calfee (carbon) WOW is the best I can do.

Did I say WOW, an understatement.
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Old 12-20-02, 02:02 PM   #4
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Wow, I really wanted to get a Luna. Got any pics????
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palooka,

I expect to get my new Luna in about 2 weeks, I will post a pic.
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Old 12-31-02, 06:56 AM   #7
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Thanks for the replies. Just bought a new, 2001 Litespeed Tuscany frame/ouzo fork. $950. Will build up. Any thought on wheels for a big rider?
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Thanks for the replies. Just bought a new, 2001 Litespeed Tuscany frame/ouzo fork. $950. Will build up. Any thought on wheels for a big rider?
Well,it probably won't 'beat you up' as bad as the Cannondale. But it's not about material anyway,but more about fit,geometry , how it's enginered and put together.Any material can work or not work for a given situation.Maybe you need to work on fitness and weight too(your own).
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Ouch!! Pretty presumptuous and a bit rude, too, Pokey. Asking for advice, not a nip.
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Old 01-02-03, 11:01 AM   #12
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Ouch!! Pretty presumptuous and a bit rude, too, Pokey. Asking for advice, not a nip.
That's the price you have to pay for FREE advice,and usually there is something to it.Next time fork over $100 in advance and maybe I'll shove a rainbo.
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It is truly unfortunate - as is becoming apparent to more and more people it seems - that a person who has some solid knowledge regarding cycling mechanics has the social skills of an eight year old. But that's what life nowadays has come to.

Freedom has its price, and this kind of thing is part of it.

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It is truly unfortunate - as is becoming apparent to more and more people it seems - that a person who has some solid knowledge regarding cycling mechanics has the social skills of an eight year old. But that's what life nowadays has come to.

Freedom has its price, and this kind of thing is part of it.

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Lighten up,and maybe try a different brand of prune juice.You people are just wound too tight.Riding your bicycle is good threapy.Try it.
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I agree with Pokey... some of you have to lighten up. I think a little dig with some free (solid) advice should be the norm around here!
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I am willing to go on record as defending Pokey's frankness. There tends to be a lot of applesauce thrown around, and I appreciate having a few members who play "applesauce detective."

And, there are a few others around here who try to play that role (with less success), but are unable to do so without becoming directly insulting. I have never seen Pokey intentionally insult a person--which should not be confused with calling their opinion wrong--unless he was attacked first.

As a pure matter of fact, the suggestion that provoked this latest exchange stated that the original poster should also focus on his fitness and his weight as a way of becoming a happy cyclist who is able to "climb better, go longer distances ... and be less fatigued at the end." Pokey's implication was that focusing too much on the bike (and its weight) would not get him to this goal as quickly as paying attention to his own fitness and weight would.

That is sound, frugal advice--although it is also rather obvious. To quote Mr. Armstrong, "It's not about the bike." It is not as if Pokey said that the poster was outright "fat."

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"applesauce detective."

Does that come with a badge or at least a laminated ID card?
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As the 'original poster', do I have the right to close this discussion. For the sake of peace in this little corner of the world, can I declare that I did not take offense!! But, perhaps next time folks can ask, first, before assuming anything about another person? You know those NFL running backs at 6', 220-230? They, too, might feel tired/exhausted after a 'long' ride - especially if it's a new activity. Or, an accomplished distance runner playing a serious game of basketball? In the same way that size/weigth don't automatically prove 'fatness', exhaustion/fatigue in a new activity doesn't necessarily indicate 'being out of shape'. For the record: I could be in better shape...and lose a few pounds (I'm 10 pounds above my weight as a good college athelete). And that, in fact, is why I intend to increase the amount of riding I do and improve the tools I have to accomplish that. But, you understand all that - don't you, Pokey? And, all you were really trying to do was to provide some incentive...right?! I accept that! So, end of this discussion? On to the next target...(oops!) issue!!
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...oh, and does anyone have any advice on my question about wheels? I really do believe that there is serious expertise out there...andI'm trying to figure out how to tap into it. I'm thinking Kysrium Elite vs. Velomax Orion. Assuming that I reach the goals Pokey and I have set - say minus 10-15 pounds, Pokey?? - I'll still be a 'big rider'. So, which of these wheels might be better for the current and future (slim, trim and tireless) rsorganize?? Thanks!
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I don't think you could go wrong with Mavic 32-hole OpenPro rims and Chorus hubs. They seem to hold up well and will support a more robust rider. I think there are a few x-cross riders out there that use and abuse them.
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...oh, and does anyone have any advice on my question about wheels? I really do believe that there is serious expertise out there...andI'm trying to figure out how to tap into it. I'm thinking Kysrium Elite vs. Velomax Orion. Assuming that I reach the goals Pokey and I have set - say minus 10-15 pounds, Pokey?? - I'll still be a 'big rider'. So, which of these wheels might be better for the current and future (slim, trim and tireless) rsorganize?? Thanks!
I'm not big on expensive boutique wheels for recreational riders. Consider mavic cxp33 or open pros built with ultegra or DA hubs laced 3x with 14/15 spokes 32 hole.Excel or colorado cyclist does them well. I don't think the elites give you anything the ones I mentiond don't,except looks and a lighter wallet.But for some, looks is everything.
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Thanks for the advice. This has been quite an introduction to a new part of the cycling world. Cutting the thread....
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To quote Mr. Armstrong, "It's not about the bike."
The BOOK was not about the bike. He wrote the book about his struggle with cancer and it's effect on his life. Not specifically about biking - and titled the book accordingly.

If there is a professional cyclist that is scientific about not only his training and fitness, but his BIKE, it's Lance Armstrong.

Nice frame/fork, rsorganize. I'm jealous

Mike, sweet Calfee Love the color combination. Is that a carbon steerer? I would be nervous with a stack like that...
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Mike, sweet Calfee Love the color combination. Is that a carbon steerer? I would be nervous with a stack like that... [/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks Palooka, I am new to the sport and this is my first road bike. You are the second person to voice a similar concern...what are my risks?

A very repected LBS owner built this bike for me and seemed to spend a lot of time over the fit.
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