Der Jan getting on form
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Der Jan getting on form
Besides what he and his coaches say, I see no evidence that Jan is in any kind of form. Is there any way any rider, even one of Jan's talent, can get on tour winning form by July?
I'm not saying this lack of form is caused by laziness, and I don't want to add too much the the Jan bashing fad, but I just don't see how he could possibly win this year.
I'm not saying this lack of form is caused by laziness, and I don't want to add too much the the Jan bashing fad, but I just don't see how he could possibly win this year.
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just because of his Romandie finish? seems like he's on for july peak.
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Yeah, he has a history of being overweight and under-trained this time of year. I wouldn't put too much stock in all the doom and gloom stuff about him circulating right now.
IMHO Jan=top five rider this year at TdF
IMHO Jan=top five rider this year at TdF
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Originally Posted by bigskymacadam
just because of his Romandie finish? seems like he's on for july peak.
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it's based wholly on it's may and we can't really tell yet. by the time the dauphine rolls around we'll get a better picture. still, i love all the hype; makes the tdf that much more exciting.
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I guess, to be fair, I have to admit that he's been competitive in the TDF for a while, including last year, more or less. And this year's parcours may be set up for him, with no mountain finishes and no TTT. But I'm sitting here looking at the favorites, and I see Jan with a sketchy knee, no results, and a 115th-place finish in the Tour de Romandie, sixth-last among classified riders (!). His directors and coaches seem like they're whistling past the proverbial graveyard. Der Jan has every appearance of a rider on the decline, while Basso, Landis, Valverde, and arguably even Vino are rising stars. If I'm in a wagering facility in Euroland today, I'm looking to put money on him not even reaching the podium.
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And 9 weeks to get his sh_t together...
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Originally Posted by 1slowbastard
We hear the same thing every year. Yet, every July Jan is there.
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Originally Posted by Veloduo
And this year's parcours may be set up for him, with no mountain finishes and no TTT.
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Doc, you're right. I stand corrected. Of course, this just makes it even LESS likely Der Jan will manage it...
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Originally Posted by Veloduo
Where, not on the podium?
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Doc, you're right. I stand corrected. Of course, this just makes it even LESS likely Der Jan will manage it...
As to Der Jan, he will be there, mouth gaping wide open, as though to engulf the entirety of the earth's atmosphere with his next gasp, the conflicted pain of one who could be the best in the world (if only he could discipline himself like the 80+% majority of his peers) tearing through his facial features, his mind full of wonderment as to why, why must he not achieve the greatness for which he was meant.
Then he will retire and fatten himself up guilt free, knowing that he has always been in shape. After all, round is a shape.
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Conspiracy theory alert: Jan is taking a page out of Lance's book and pretending he's not on good form. He wants them to think he's out of shape.
I don't buy that, but why not throw it out there. Anyway, Romandie was a tough course and it was his first race back, so I wouldn't get too excited yet. I think it took a lot of balls for him to do that race. He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. If he did race he was sure to be a little out of shape, and people would knock him for that. Lance never had the ball to race in a situation like that. If he didn't race everyone would say it was just Jan being lazy again. It's going to take a lot of balls for him to do the Giro for the same reason, and I hope he sticks to that plan. I have a feeling by the last week of the Giro we'll be talking about how good he's looking and how quickly he turned things around. Remember, he was always the kind of guy who started looking the best towards the end of the TDF.
I don't buy that, but why not throw it out there. Anyway, Romandie was a tough course and it was his first race back, so I wouldn't get too excited yet. I think it took a lot of balls for him to do that race. He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. If he did race he was sure to be a little out of shape, and people would knock him for that. Lance never had the ball to race in a situation like that. If he didn't race everyone would say it was just Jan being lazy again. It's going to take a lot of balls for him to do the Giro for the same reason, and I hope he sticks to that plan. I have a feeling by the last week of the Giro we'll be talking about how good he's looking and how quickly he turned things around. Remember, he was always the kind of guy who started looking the best towards the end of the TDF.
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Originally Posted by DXchulo
Conspiracy theory alert: Jan is taking a page out of Lance's book and pretending he's not on good form. He wants them to think he's out of shape.
I don't buy that, but why not throw it out there. Anyway, Romandie was a tough course and it was his first race back, so I wouldn't get too excited yet. I think it took a lot of balls for him to do that race. He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. If he did race he was sure to be a little out of shape, and people would knock him for that. Lance never had the ball to race in a situation like that. If he didn't race everyone would say it was just Jan being lazy again. It's going to take a lot of balls for him to do the Giro for the same reason, and I hope he sticks to that plan. I have a feeling by the last week of the Giro we'll be talking about how good he's looking and how quickly he turned things around. Remember, he was always the kind of guy who started looking the best towards the end of the TDF.
I don't buy that, but why not throw it out there. Anyway, Romandie was a tough course and it was his first race back, so I wouldn't get too excited yet. I think it took a lot of balls for him to do that race. He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. If he did race he was sure to be a little out of shape, and people would knock him for that. Lance never had the ball to race in a situation like that. If he didn't race everyone would say it was just Jan being lazy again. It's going to take a lot of balls for him to do the Giro for the same reason, and I hope he sticks to that plan. I have a feeling by the last week of the Giro we'll be talking about how good he's looking and how quickly he turned things around. Remember, he was always the kind of guy who started looking the best towards the end of the TDF.
I don't know if that theory is totally true, but I read somewhere (I'll search for the link) that someone saw him motorpacing up a stiff climb in Italy, and just screaming up the mountain... I wouldn't put too much weight on his romandie results. His performances in a few key Giro stages, will tell alot more.
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DXChulo, in all fairness, Lance hasn't had the ballS since 1993...
making fun of cancer victims aside, racing romandie certainly took some cajones but the fact remains: the kaiser is in worse shape than normal (even for him).
making fun of cancer victims aside, racing romandie certainly took some cajones but the fact remains: the kaiser is in worse shape than normal (even for him).
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Originally Posted by DXchulo
Conspiracy theory alert: Jan is taking a page out of Lance's book and pretending he's not on good form. He wants them to think he's out of shape.
Cunego and Basso are peaking, Basso won the Criterium internationale when he was just using it as a training race, and his TT times have been very impressive.
Training and racing are two different things...Jan has not been racing enough for any real impact at the Giro.
Looking at the Giro this year and those climbs, there very well might be a Giro-TDF winner in 06.
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Please, he wasn't trying to win the Tour de Romandie, he was only looking to get some kilometres under his legs in a race. Look for him to put in a stronger performance at the Giro like DXChucko said.
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Maybe, I haven't looked at the profile yet. On the one hand I hope that he has the sense to drop if he needs to to be on form for the TdF but on the other hand if he drops out, all hell will break loose in the media.
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I don't think he will finish the giro, I think he will test himself in a TT or two and in some tough mountain stages, and then bow out.
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guess what ?
Jan likes to mash a big gear
guess what else ?
he has chronic knee problems
coincidence ?
I betcha he has all the steam in the world to win a tour, but
I also believe his knees have left him...
Jan likes to mash a big gear
guess what else ?
he has chronic knee problems
coincidence ?
I betcha he has all the steam in the world to win a tour, but
I also believe his knees have left him...
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Go read Lance Armstrong's War. Jan has dropped out of an early season race or two a couple times before, and come back plenty strong. The fact that he stuck it out AND plans on doing the GIRO says, in my mind, that he's mixing it up this year and might in fact be in better shape than most other years.