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Old 08-03-06, 07:27 AM   #1
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Age Category and No CAT 5?

Just curious, I've seen age categories (40+, 50+, etc) crits but do not allow CAT 5. Why is this? Is it a safety issue with 5s in the race?
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Old 08-03-06, 07:32 AM   #2
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EDIT - wait, I read your comment the wrong way.

Not sure why they wouldn't allow cat 5's in a masters race.
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Old 08-03-06, 07:40 AM   #3
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It probably has something to do with the safety issue. Cat 5 was set up so that beginner racers could participate in 10 mass start events. That way you at least have 10 races where you got experience riding in a large group under race pressures. You have to realize that a lot of these 40-50 plusers are former Pro/1/2/3 racers. It would be dangerous to mix beginners in with these cats.
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Old 08-03-06, 07:56 AM   #4
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Safety. Totally.

You're hopping into a race against former pro riders and some very experienced amateurs. It's not good for anyone involved to have this mix in the same race.
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Old 08-03-06, 07:56 AM   #5
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ACA has a "35+, 4" category for just that purpose and it is very popular. Gives the noobie "mature" racer a category where they can learn the ropes and still race with others who are in their age range. Now all you have to do is come out west and ride in one of their races!
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Yes it's a safety issue.
Also, there's a 75 rider field limit on mass start races with Cat 5's.
Around here we often have races with 35+ 1/2/3, 35+ 4/5 and 45+ (with no Cat designation, so it's 1-5). The stronger 45+ guys will often hammer the pace from the start to drop the sketchy 4's & 5's.
35+ 4/5 is usually the most popular field in races and often fills up before race day. In fact they sometime split it up into 2 fields.
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And if you are in the masters age group, and just starting you may think you want to race masters to have a better chance of hanging. Trust me you don't. Cat 5 is much easier.

What's needed is 35+ Cat5 races, which some areas are starting to have. MAkes it much easier for older newcomers to break into the sport.
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And if you are in the masters age group, and just starting you may think you want to race masters to have a better chance of hanging. Trust me you don't. Cat 5 is much easier.

What's needed is 35+ Cat5 races, which some areas are starting to have. MAkes it much easier for older newcomers to break into the sport.
The last few I've done have had Cat 5 and then a 35+ Cat 4/5. The latter was much faster but much safer: less accordion effect, no sketchy brake-grabbing in the turns, no pedal strikes. You get the idea.
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I remember my first Masters 30+ Crit, it was the SC State Championships a couple of years ago. I will always remember that day, no more 6 abreast riding, no stupid braking for no reason, Just Balls out Speed in heapfuls. On the 2nd Lap its single file at 31mph, 54 guys all in a row, Im diving into the first turn, no brakes whatsoever, my teamate is laughing at me cause I'm behind him making jet-plane noises and stuff like a little kid. Seeing that single file line ahead of you snake across the road, doing lap after lap with no braking.... It's moments like that when you realize what its really about, and I tell you, It was amazing.
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I remember my first Masters 30+ Crit, it was the SC State Championships a couple of years ago. I will always remember that day, no more 6 abreast riding, no stupid braking for no reason, Just Balls out Speed in heapfuls. On the 2nd Lap its single file at 31mph, 54 guys all in a row, Im diving into the first turn, no brakes whatsoever, my teamate is laughing at me cause I'm behind him making jet-plane noises and stuff like a little kid. Seeing that single file line ahead of you snake across the road, doing lap after lap with no braking.... It's moments like that when you realize what its really about, and I tell you, It was amazing.

Now imagine doing the same basic thing with a 400 pound motorcycle going 165+, just a little faster and not so many people

its funny how I got back into cycling to get better on my motorcycle, only to get all crazy about bicycle racing, and posts like that make me wanna go race!
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Old 08-08-06, 06:41 PM   #11
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Dude, I know, I raced CCS and WERA in th Southeast region. I live 20 minutes from Roebling Road, 4 hours from Road Atlanta, 3 from Daytona, 2.5 from Camden. I kinda miss that stuff.......
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Masters 30+ is harder than cat 3.

They don't ever have cat 3s and 5s in the same race, so why would they let cat 5s race with 30+?
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