TCR

Is it just me or do others feel like puking when they read his website?

youm0nt

whats wrong with it?

kubla khan

the lies?

Trevor98

Its nice that you assume that you know the truth. What do you want him to state on his personal webpage- i thought he could post anything he wanted on his webpage.

Mojo GoGo

Are there others who read it?

Smoothie104

He should post the fax pages sent to his wife asking for payment for his doping products, as well as his race/medical calender showing how it was all done.

Velonews posted it, Tyler should too.

merlinextraligh

At this point in time, after the rejection of his final appeals, and the information that has come from Operation Puerto, surely, you're not saying you believe Tyler's denials?

Trevor98

I am saying that I am not in a position to know what occurred. I choose not to judge him- its not my job. Additionally, it seems as if the prosecutors in Operation Puerto were a little over zealous in their accusations (ask Davis, Beloki, Nozal, Paulinho, and Contador). I have seen arguments regarding the validity of WADA's (not my favorite organization) interpretation of the blood doping test- the test can only identify multiple types of DNA in the blood not determine the cause of that occurrence.

I do know that Hamilton can write anything he wants on his website (he is in charge of it). And while I do find his website a little bland ascetically, it doesn't make me want to puke.

iluvfreebeer

I just finished watching Tivo of the TDF (I was in France watching it live) to pick up some of the highlights I missed.
Was anyone else creeped out by Hamilton's wife being in every interview and saying "we" all the time?
Is this some kind of Svengali thing with this woman?

Trevor98

Perhaps she sees that her future is tied to his and thus "we" is reflective of that. Or perhaps she has taken up the royal "we" usage.

Mojo GoGo

Yeah, poor Tyler... and while we know Mel Gibson blew a 0.12 BAC - we can't really know how it got into his blood either... or how all that THC ended up in Ricky Williams system.

If you make a mistake, sack up, admit it, show contrition, and move on...
Life is not a conspiracy and moral/ethical relativism is a cop out

Trevor98

Are you really comparing the scientific analysis of multiple blood DNA types in one sample to the Breathalyzer confirmation of drunkenness (the drunken ethical slurs would be the first indication).

It is nice that you are so sure of your ethical viewpoint that you want to enforce it upon the world in such a public forum as this. I am not so sure and therefor do not judge him in this forum, whether or not I root for him, buy anything because of him, or visit his website are decisions I make based on other grounds thereby making the ethical arguments moot.

History has had enough conspiracies to justify people's belief in them- I will not list them here and I am done with this thread.

Grasschopper

No I think the 87 in a 45 would have been the first indication.

flythebike

The only thing I can say objectively about Haven Hamilton is that she is smokin'.

Once again Smoothie's comments are pointed and funny. The evidence against Hamilton was sufficent, he deserved his ban, he needs to move on with his life. Hopefully he can return to competition and not fail any more tests. But I wouldn't sign him if were up to me...

Mojo GoGo

No, what I'm saying is both of them had substances in their system and we'll never KNOW how they got there.

We can reasonably assume Mel drank his alcohol (and let the record show I have not made any political statements or brought up the subject of slurs) and that Tyler doped.

In Tyler's case we can assume this based on the scientific evidence that indicates that the vast majority of humans do not contain multiple sets of DNA/markers (which puts the burden of proof back on Tyler to prove that he does as WADA et al proved their case beyond resonable doubt...) He has failed to do this and has failed to make himself accessible for scientific testing which would be able to establish if he did indeed have this condition...

Also, I'm not pushing any belief other than Tyler should be accountable for his mistake (and shut up) or quietly live with his failure to defend himself (as he has the means to "prove" his condition but chooses not to).

jqnj

Gibson was filming "The Fast and the Furorist."

TCR

SaintAndrew

his site dissapoints me greatly. i would def. like more pic's of his wife. there are a grand total of like 0.

Blaireau

Yeah, it is sad to read. He's either delusional or a compulsive liar. Real big on manufactured self pity for sure.
Lets make something clear at the outset: no one is saying he does not have the right to write whatever the hell he wants on his website --just as we have a right to read it, and be sickened by it.

But why can't the guy come clean and admit his mistakes? Come on Tyler, stop listenig to your lawyers and PR men, and take a page from David Millar's playbook. He admitted it, you could too!
Show some class.

BoSoxYacht

I'm sure he would admit his guilt , if he was indeed guilty of anything. He is innocent. Slander his name all you want, but Tyler has nothing to admit to anyone. He did nothing wrong. F*** all of you that continue to run his name through the mud.

DrPete 

Are you serious? We're supposed to believe that his chimerism/vanishing twin, a GENETIC problem, just happened to start being expressed at the Olympics? Or that Dr. Fuentes's receipt faxed to Haven was for cookies?

BoSoxYacht

I am serious , and if you knew him at all(on a personal level), you would feel the same way.

Blaireau

What is strange is while you tell us Hamilton is innocent (LOL) you simultaneously defend doping and say in another post :"why not be the best athlete that science can build?" So you are saying that you are in favor of doping, but that Hamilton was clean.... ok.

To top it all off, legalized doping would make cycling a competition between scientists, and doctors and labs, not athletes. We would get lesser athletes beating greater ones because their team of chemist was better funded or just better....

classic1

C'mon, its always the quiet ones you have to watch out for

BoSoxYacht

That is how cycling(TDF) has been for the last 20+ years . I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with the UCI, and their testing process. Too much info gets leaked about results(a security problem) for me to think that the samples couldn't be tampered with.