Ah yes, the U23's--the future of pro cycling. :(
09-21-06, 12:28 PM
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Ah yes, the U23's--the future of pro cycling. :(
From velonews.com:
Gotta start 'em young, I suppose.... 
Team test nabs Austrian EPO positive
By AFP
This report filed September 21, 2006
A rider with the Austrian under-23 men's team has tested positive for erythropoietin (EPO) ahead of the world road cycling championships, the Austrian federation confirmed Thursday.
Marco Leonardo Oreggia tested positive for the banned blood booster last week when the Austrian federation carried out random tests on the entire under-23 team.
Oreggia has yet to demand a test on his B sample. If that turns out positive, or if Oreggia declines to challenge the results of the A sample, it would force a sanction from the Austrian federation. Even if he does demand a re-test, it's unlikely that it would be conducted in time for the under-23 men's road race on Saturday.
Austrian federation general secretary Rudolf Massak told AFP that on the same day they carried out the tests at a training camp last week, two other under-23 riders tried to sneak away to avoid being tested.
"We had enough suspicions on some of the riders to carry out these tests," he said.
Christian Ebner and Markus Eibegger did not show up a scheduled doping control, but were later tested by the federation.
They are still awaiting results but in the meantime they will also forfeit the men's under-23 race on Saturday for trying to avoid testing.
Concerning Oreggia, Massak admitted it had done more than just harm to the hosts' image during their organisation of the competition.
"This means we have to start from zero as concerns the fight against doping," said Massak, who noted however that all the riders concerned are innocent until the results of B tests confirm results.
"We may lose some of our sponsors for next year, but really that's the least of our worries. Maybe they (the riders) were tempted because of the world championships being held in Austria."
On Wednesday a trio of south American riders were suspended from the championships after returning abnormal blood tests.
Argentine pair Martin Garrido and Matias Medici, and Brazilian under-23 rider Magno Nazaret, failed blood tests carried out by the International Cycling Union (UCI) medical inspectors.
In accordance with UCI rules, the trio is suspended for 15 days while further tests are carried out.
By AFP
This report filed September 21, 2006
A rider with the Austrian under-23 men's team has tested positive for erythropoietin (EPO) ahead of the world road cycling championships, the Austrian federation confirmed Thursday.
Marco Leonardo Oreggia tested positive for the banned blood booster last week when the Austrian federation carried out random tests on the entire under-23 team.
Oreggia has yet to demand a test on his B sample. If that turns out positive, or if Oreggia declines to challenge the results of the A sample, it would force a sanction from the Austrian federation. Even if he does demand a re-test, it's unlikely that it would be conducted in time for the under-23 men's road race on Saturday.
Austrian federation general secretary Rudolf Massak told AFP that on the same day they carried out the tests at a training camp last week, two other under-23 riders tried to sneak away to avoid being tested.
"We had enough suspicions on some of the riders to carry out these tests," he said.
Christian Ebner and Markus Eibegger did not show up a scheduled doping control, but were later tested by the federation.
They are still awaiting results but in the meantime they will also forfeit the men's under-23 race on Saturday for trying to avoid testing.
Concerning Oreggia, Massak admitted it had done more than just harm to the hosts' image during their organisation of the competition.
"This means we have to start from zero as concerns the fight against doping," said Massak, who noted however that all the riders concerned are innocent until the results of B tests confirm results.
"We may lose some of our sponsors for next year, but really that's the least of our worries. Maybe they (the riders) were tempted because of the world championships being held in Austria."
On Wednesday a trio of south American riders were suspended from the championships after returning abnormal blood tests.
Argentine pair Martin Garrido and Matias Medici, and Brazilian under-23 rider Magno Nazaret, failed blood tests carried out by the International Cycling Union (UCI) medical inspectors.
In accordance with UCI rules, the trio is suspended for 15 days while further tests are carried out.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Gotta start 'em young, I suppose....
09-21-06, 12:33 PM
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Thats sad, seems pretty clear they are cheaters. "...two other under-23 riders tried to sneak away to avoid being tested."
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09-21-06, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by botto
where do you think EPO doping was pioneered? in the U23/Espoir Dutch and Belgian peloton, back in the late 80s.
Just thought it was a nice illustration of the pervasiveness of the problem for those who still think it's the exception to the rule (the camp I left sometime in July).
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09-21-06, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DocRay
Some south american riders got kicked out for high hemocrit (yet EPO negative).
09-21-06, 01:40 PM
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No, they can't test that fast, but many riders who get booted for high hemocrit never test positive for EPO, which is why hemocrit level test is better. Amazingly, almost all pro riders score right on the upper limit, coincidence, I'm sure.
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Originally Posted by DocRay
No, they can't test that fast, but many riders who get booted for high hemocrit never test positive for EPO, which is why hemocrit level test is better. Amazingly, almost all pro riders score right on the upper limit, coincidence, I'm sure.
Well the South American riders probably live in the Andes, and for everybody else those oxygen tents are pretty amazing.
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Perhaps a sporadic epidemic of Polycythemia Vera in South America?
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09-21-06, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DocRay
Hemocrit doesn't get that high from high altitude living or oxygen tents.
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How high can one get there hematocrit by living/training at altitude?
I would assume its probably well below the UCI limit of 50, and probably below the average hematocrit in the peleton
I would assume its probably well below the UCI limit of 50, and probably below the average hematocrit in the peleton
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this is wierd.. is this website wrong about average hemocrit??
medicinenet.com
"Adult males: 42-54%"
medicinenet.com
"Adult males: 42-54%"
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When I was 15, some of my 16 year old teammates were talking enthusiastically about blood doping. One of them seemed especially knowledgeable about which methods were hard to detect and everything. I have no regrets that I quit competitive cycling by age 17. I would have either been drawn into the carnage, or would have lost every race because I would have been one of the few people NOT on drugs. I wonder if that's why I started going off the back more often when I hit the older age group
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Well the South American riders probably live in the Andes, and for everybody else those oxygen tents are pretty amazing.
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Originally Posted by dmotoguy
this is wierd.. is this website wrong about average hemocrit??
medicinenet.com
"Adult males: 42-54%"
medicinenet.com
"Adult males: 42-54%"
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Perhaps a sporadic epidemic of Polycythemia Vera in South America?
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One step away from being a career athlete, but not quite as talented as the top-tier? Cheat. Or forever live in obscurity. What would you do? I'll take obscurity, but most don't want to go back to the simple life at the factory or office, so they take the needle and move forward.
