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Old 12-21-06, 09:02 AM   #1
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Iraqi Cycling Coach Murdered

We all know how tough the situation is in Iraqi. This week the conflict took the life of the Iraqi Olympic Cycling Coach. Details here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061221/...coach_killed_1. He had just returned with the Iraqi team from from the Asian games.
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How many does that make it now? 695,001?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/
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Iraq had a cycling coach? Iraq has a cycling team? Those, it would seem, are the bigger stories. Somebody getting killed in Iraq is apparently routine.
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Old 12-21-06, 09:25 AM   #4
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Botto: who knows. All I can say for sure is that it is a horribly sad mess. It just seems so odd to me that the thugs are targeting athletes and coaches.
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It may be odd to target athletes but it certainly not new. The most famous case has to be Munich in 1972. Athletes garner public attention in life and apparently their murder do too.
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Very good and accurate point.
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Iraq is the new hotbed of olympic cycling. After all, how many terrorists engage in bikebombing?
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Sprinting away from violence would get you real fast.
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Now granted, I just live in my little sphere where I take care of American wounded once they come back to the US, but this is one thing that just continues to blow my mind. I mean, what is Iraq going to accomplish by killing off Iraqis? Maybe if I understood the history, etc. of the region a bit more it would make sense, but it really is beyond me. So many lives destroyed and so much death on both sides... truly sad.
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although a few years old, this is a good article on cycling in iraq and the tour de baghdad. it was written in 2003.

http://www.baghdadbulletin.com/pageA...d=145&cat_id=2

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"But it turns out that cycling is an unexpectedly popular sport, which the ministry of Youth and Sport has on its list for regeneration. "

“Everything got stolen by the looters, including spare parts for the bikes,” said Abbas. “We used to have 40 of these Bianchi (Italian-made) cycles which are worth about $1600 each. We found many of them on sale again at the local black market for $50. They raised the price to $300 when they found out that the bikes had been used by members of the national team, saying ‘This is our share of the oil!’”

“Cycling is my favorite sport and I would like to make a career out of it,” he said. “But this will only happen if I manage to leave Iraq.”
The financial rewards of success here are not enough to sustain a living –– you get about $25 for doing well in the national championships.
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Now granted, I just live in my little sphere where I take care of American wounded once they come back to the US, but this is one thing that just continues to blow my mind. I mean, what is Iraq going to accomplish by killing off Iraqis? Maybe if I understood the history, etc. of the region a bit more it would make sense, but it really is beyond me. So many lives destroyed and so much death on both sides... truly sad.
This violence is particular pointless and is more akin to Hatfield vs. McCoys than anything else. The debate about this Hobbesian violence, however, belongs in another part of the forum.
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Iraq had a cycling coach? Iraq has a cycling team? Those, it would seem, are the bigger stories. Somebody getting killed in Iraq is apparently routine.
Heres a clip of one of them in action http://youtube.com/watch?v=3L8hO7tD_OI
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Heres a clip of one of them in action http://youtube.com/watch?v=3L8hO7tD_OI
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Maybe if I understood the history, etc. of the region a bit more it would make sense, but it really is beyond me. So many lives destroyed and so much death on both sides... truly sad.
What's truly sad is that people who got us into this mess didn't understand the history of the region any better than you. If people of this country actually cared about learning how other cultures view us we could avoid much of the senseless loss of life that has taken place over the last 3.5 years. It would be nice if we could elect a President who actually read a book or picked up a newspaper from time to time.
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What's truly sad is that people who got us into this mess didn't understand the history of the region any better than you. If people of this country actually cared about learning how other cultures view us we could avoid much of the senseless loss of life that has taken place over the last 3.5 years. It would be nice if we could elect a President who actually read a book or picked up a newspaper from time to time.
This is so exactly right. All of this sectarian violence was 100% predictable and foreseeable, and should have been considered ahead of time.
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This is so exactly right. All of this sectarian violence was 100% predictable and foreseeable, and should have been considered ahead of time.
+1 and I'll leave it at that.
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What's truly sad is that people who got us into this mess didn't understand the history of the region any better than you. If people of this country actually cared about learning how other cultures view us we could avoid much of the senseless loss of life that has taken place over the last 3.5 years. It would be nice if we could elect a President who actually read a book or picked up a newspaper from time to time.
or used the google on the internets..
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or used the google on the internets..
Yes, the information would have arrived through the series of tubes, and then the congressmen could have sent each other internets to discuss it.
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They are targeting anything deemed Western, as well as education. Schools/teachers are a very big target there.
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As a military brat I don't have a tremendous amount of sympathy for anyone who joined the Reserves post-Desert Storm thinking it was just 'free money'. You had to know that bill was coming due someday.
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As a military brat I don't have a tremendous amount of sympathy for anyone who joined the Reserves post-Desert Storm thinking it was just 'free money'. You had to know that bill was coming due someday.
yeah, but they probably didn't expect to see their buddy's killed and maimed because a chickenhawk from Connecticut, who claims to be from Texas, didn't know any better.
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Iraq had a cycling coach? Iraq has a cycling team? Those, it would seem, are the bigger stories. Somebody getting killed in Iraq is apparently routine.
Now an Iraqui Roadie - THAT would be one tough sonofabich cyclist.
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I think this statement coincides with almost everything that happens in the world "$h!t Happens"
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I think this statement coincides with almost everything that happens in the world "$h!t Happens"
maybe you should go back to the little kids table in road cycling?

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I think this statement coincides with almost everything that happens in the world "$h!t Happens"
Perhaps if the equivelent percentage of Americans were killed you'd have a different perspective? Given the poplulation of Iraq (approx 24mil or 10% of the US pop) and the number killed (est 650,000+) you'd think sh#t happens if 6mil Americans were murdered in 3 years?
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