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Old 01-11-07, 10:54 PM   #1
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Can I break 5000ft/hr tomorrow?

I say its a definite maybe. Demoralize me

tomorrow's hill: 940ft, 2.6mi, 6.8% grade. For 5000ft/hr, I'll have to go 13.8mph for about 11:15, at a p/w ratio of 5.28 (405W)

My previous best was set back in August: 850ft hill, 2.1mi, 7.67% grade. 4708ft/hr, 11.8mph at a p/w ratio of 4.84 (370W)

I just finished base 2, and am starting a rest week. Let's see if this base stuff is paying off!


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Old 01-11-07, 10:59 PM   #2
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I think its going to be more mental, just fight through the burn and youll be alright
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Old 01-11-07, 11:06 PM   #3
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Well, what counts is the tryin'

Good luck, and let us know how it goes!
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Old 01-11-07, 11:11 PM   #4
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don't expect to be fast on a 12 minute effort following a base period.

But go out and just kill it. Much luck.
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Old 01-11-07, 11:19 PM   #5
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405 watts for 11 minutes? That's a lot of power. But if you really want it, you will make it up that fast. I imagine you'll get demoralized after 6 minutes but if you fight through it you'll power out of it
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I just look at the numbers. Your vo2max power is about 120% of your FT. If 405w is 120% of your FT, well, yeah, it is doable. That would put your FT at 320w. How long is the climb again? 6 to 10 minutes??? Effort like that would certainly put you in your vo2max power.
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There ya go. Just dial it up, Penguin!
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Yeesh...>22 km/h for 11 minutes at almost 7 percent?! Yow. I had to vote no, but I'd love to hear you did it.
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I just look at the numbers. Your vo2max power is about 120% of your FT. If 405w is 120% of your FT, well, yeah, it is doable. That would put your FT at 320w. How long is the climb again? 6 to 10 minutes??? Effort like that would certainly put you in your vo2max power.
Holy wrong numbers Batman.

120% of 320 = 386 watts. FT would need to be 337.5 specifically for 405w to be the top end of Coggan VO2max.

35 watts on top of your previous best will be quite a feat when talking supra-threshold power.

I vote yes because I can't bring myself to voting no.

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I just checked my PR for our local climb (944ft @2.2mi in 12:15), which came out to 4662 ft/hr. I almost puked. Best of luck. 5000 will be tough, but doable.

FYI, I voted for you to succeed.

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Old 01-12-07, 07:18 AM   #11
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I say you go down in flames

But, prove me wrong, KP. Go kick that hill's butt!!
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I vote yes because it's easier (for me at least) to really drill it on hills or into a headwind. I'm not sure why, but if it sucks, I go harder.

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Demoralize me
You'll never do it! You think you can get your fat sack up that hill? No way!!! If God had wanted you at the top of that mountain he would have miracled your ass up there! What is your major malfunction numb-nuts? Didn't Mommy and Daddy give you enough attention when you were a child? I bet you could suck a golfball through a garden hose!


There? Did that work?

(Seriously tho, go for it. Good luck. You'll need it... )
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Those free online velocity calculators are worth about what they cost, but are fun to use. According to the ones I use it would take a 168 pound rider an average of 450 watts for 11:15 to go 2.6 miles up a 6.8% grade at an average altitude of 1000 feet and a temperature of 50 degrees.

Whether you make it or not... Since you don't have a power meter (unless I'm mistaken) I guess we won't know how accurate those calculators are. Plus, there are other factors (wind, road conditions, constancy of the grade, etc) that affect speed.

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Old 01-12-07, 09:43 AM   #15
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You'll never do it! You think you can get your fat sack up that hill? No way!!! If God had wanted you at the top of that mountain he would have miracled your ass up there! What is your major malfunction numb-nuts? Didn't Mommy and Daddy give you enough attention when you were a child? I bet you could suck a golfball through a garden hose!
now that's what I'm talkin about!

time to eat breakfast. Tonight I dine in Valhalla!
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Old 01-12-07, 09:58 AM   #16
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Those free online velocity calculators are worth about what they cost, but are fun to use. According to the ones I use it would take a 168 pound rider an average of 450 watts for 11:15 to go 2.6 miles up a 6.8% grade at an average altitude of 1000 feet and a temperature of 50 degrees.

Whether you make it or not... Since you don't have a power meter (unless I'm mistaken) I guess we won't know how accurate those calculators are. Plus, there are other factors (wind, road conditions, constancy of the grade, etc) that affect speed.

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Heh, yeah, no powermeter. Kreuzotter says I'd need 460ishW to do this thing, but apparantly I can already put out 410 for 10:50.

I used analytic cycling (turning mph into m/s is a little annoying, but i'm convinced its pretty accurate!). I think what might account for the discrepancy is that kreuzotter sets rolling resistance at .006 whereas analytic cycling defaults asphalt at .004.
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I say its a definite maybe. Demoralize me

tomorrow's hill: 940ft, 2.6mi, 6.8% grade. For 5000ft/hr, I'll have to go 13.8mph for about 11:15, at a p/w ratio of 5.28 (405W)

My previous best was set back in August: 850ft hill, 2.1mi, 7.67% grade. 4708ft/hr, 11.8mph at a p/w ratio of 4.84 (370W)

I just finished base 2, and am starting a rest week. Let's see if this base stuff is paying off!


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that hill just called your momma a hochie. what are you gonna do about it?
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If I go to Battenkill, I will crush your skinny soul, so let the demoralizing begin. You are good, but not that good you skinny little tuxedoed punk. When you can step up to my kind of power, maybe, but until then - 2nd place = 1st loser.

Seriously though, good luck. I know that this early in the season, I could NOT do those kinds of numbers.
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time to eat breakfast. Tonight I dine in Valhalla!
Just try to avoid having twice-scrambled eggs...
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Old 01-12-07, 02:19 PM   #21
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I just got spanked. I think my lungs are bleeding.

I confused the false summit for the actual summit and stopped there, so the climb was a bit different than advertised. 1.97mi, 800ft, 7.69% grade...after the false summit it goes downhill for a bit, hence why the whole hill is only 6.8%.

Anyway, up to the false summit, I did it in 12:35. That's a whopping 3825ft/hr I can't really be upset though, since my last all out effort was in mid October, I haven't touched my bike the past 3 days and was feeling sluggish, its 40* out and I'm in winter gear, it was my first time climbing that hill, and I'm getting used to a new bike. And after a couple of minutes, my legs felt perfect again. So I guess base is doing what its supposed to do.

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that hill just called your momma a hochie. what are you gonna do about it?
Why, I'm gonna curl up into a ball, hand it my car keys, and give it my lunch money! That'll show that stupid hill.

Heh, I'll try this again in 4 weeks. Even if I can't then, I'm breaking 5000ft/hr by the end of march, damnit.
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Old 01-12-07, 02:25 PM   #22
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You have a profile of the ride?
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Old 01-12-07, 02:41 PM   #23
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guitar- here's the routeslip version of the climb: http://www.routeslip.com/routes/18652

the toporoute version puts the climb at 1.92mi and 8.1%gradient, but I'll wager routeslip is the more accurate of the two.
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I'm trying 5000ft/hr this weekend, but I have a sophisticated plan, I'm doing it downhill.
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RouteSlip is doing its' usual crap...says "Loading...Please Wait", but then just sits there....
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