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Old 01-18-07, 03:41 PM   #1
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Report: Pereiro positive

Oscar Pereiro tested positive for a banned substance during his second-place finish at the 2006 Tour de France, French newspaper Le Monde will report on Friday.

WTF!!

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Old 01-18-07, 03:43 PM   #2
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He's just another super athletic asthamtic.. the peleton is full of guys who "need" bronchial dialators.

Interesting to see if he can produce a TUE, I wonder if the UCI/WADA will take a backdated forged one like Armstrong allegedly had for his corticoids..
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And the hits just keep on com'n. This is probably going to go nowhere as he'll find a doctor somewhere that will give him a 'note' saying that he needed the medicine.
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How in the H E L L does it take 6 months to come to this?

I'm sure they answer to that lies with the answer to why it take forever for Landis to get his hearing.
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The French Anti-doping Agency (AFLD) president Pierre Bordry told L'Equipe on Thursday: "This rider tested positive twice. Once in Gap and another time in La Toussuire.

"Each time, he wrote on the test report that he had a TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption). But I am asking him to provide us with the medical elements that justify him taking salbutamol."
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So what was Kloden taking, and when will he get busted?
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It won't be hard to get a doctor's note. At all. He is safe.
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[QUOTE=PolishPostal]How in the H E L L does it take 6 months to come to this?

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Velonews is to blame for that. Of course he tested positive for the drug, he had a medical dispensation for it. This was reported months ago. The Tour people are now saying that his medical reasons for the drug were not adequate (although, why now?).
There are a ridiculous number of Pro Tour riders seeking medical dispensation for corticosteriods and asthma drugs, having these dispensations means they have a pass for a positive for this family of medications. Very convenient.
He'll just provide a medical note, as DrW sez.
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It won't be hard to get a doctor's note. At all. He is safe.
I would think it would have to have been in his medical book BEFOREHAND. I think we are assured of not having a declared 2006 winner before 2007 starts.

This almost makes me happy in the sense that it may take media scrutiny off Flandis.

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Hmm...and here I thought riders had to have medical exemptions in place and approved in advance. So now they can post-date them? Is this a joke? Can Floyd get a medical exemption for medically-appropriate use of testosterone? Just get a doctor's note dated June '06, and he's all set, eh?
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I would think it would have to have been in his medical book BEFOREHAND. I think we are assured of not having a declared 2006 winner before 2007 starts.

This almost makes me happy in the sense that it may take media scrutiny off Flandis.
Its just a matter of the organizers taking it on good faith that he had the medical note. He says, "I have a note." They say, "ok, just get it to us." He forgets. Now he just needs to scramble for the medical note. As for the appropriate way of things, he should have had it beforehand. But it won't be hard to find someone to write one now that is dated beforehand, even if some practice charts have to be manipulated somewhere. It is called fraud (if done that way...I am not saying it will be...just that it can me), but there is really no way to argue it, nor likley would they even want to.
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But it won't be hard to find someone to write one now that is dated beforehand, even if some practice charts have to be manipulated somewhere. It is called fraud (if done that way...I am not saying it will be...just that it can me), but there is really no way to argue it, nor likley would they even want to.
Oscar can ask one of my students to find a doctor, it's amazing how fast they can get retroactive medical note after flunking an exam.

There's always a note from his mom:

Dear Mr. Tour Organizer,

Please excuse Oscar from the TDF positive tests, as he had explosive diarrhea.
Sincerely,

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Oscar Pereiro tested positive for a banned substance during his second-place finish at the 2006 Tour de France
Explains why he was so supportive of the notion that Floyd "deserved" the win.
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Can Floyd get a medical exemption for medically-appropriate use of testosterone?
Like, because the Viagra was ineffective?
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I inferred that he had the exemption but now they are questioning the necessity and he hasn't provided back up documentation.

If they DQ a few more riders, Hincapie will eventually get his TdF win after all!
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I inferred that he had the exemption but now they are questioning the necessity and he hasn't provided back up documentation.

If they DQ a few more riders, Hincapie will eventually get his TdF win after all!

Hmm...how far down in GC was McEwen? He needs a yellow jersey to go with the green.
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Its just a matter of the organizers taking it on good faith that he had the medical note. He says, "I have a note." They say, "ok, just get it to us." He forgets. Now he just needs to scramble for the medical note. As for the appropriate way of things, he should have had it beforehand. But it won't be hard to find someone to write one now that is dated beforehand, even if some practice charts have to be manipulated somewhere. It is called fraud (if done that way...I am not saying it will be...just that it can me), but there is really no way to argue it, nor likley would they even want to.
No, it's much more difficult than just getting some schmuck doctor to write a pre-dated prescription. The riders' medical books are controlled by the UCI. They cannot be tampered with. They are now going further than simply verifying it's in your medical book. Now they're asking rider's to prove that it should be, since apparently 45% of pros somehow need asthma meds.
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How in the H E L L does it take 6 months to come to this?

I'm sure they answer to that lies with the answer to why it take forever for Landis to get his hearing.

Because 6 months is the CORRECT time procedure for a positive test. It gives the athelete time to create a defense... unlike Floyd's case where he was thrown into his alleged doping and ended up making a bunch of stupid comments to the media when he didn't have all the facts himself.
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Hmm...how far down in GC was McEwen? He needs a yellow jersey to go with the green.
That's hoping for a bit much .... but Cadel Evans on the other hand .....
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No, it's much more difficult than just getting some schmuck doctor to write a pre-dated prescription. The riders' medical books are controlled by the UCI. They cannot be tampered with. They are now going further than simply verifying it's in your medical book. Now they're asking rider's to prove that it should be, since apparently 45% of pros somehow need asthma meds.

Why would any of these people want to take asthma drugs in the first place? What about all the side effects? My brother had to take asthma drugs for about 6 months to clear up some breathing issues associated with a bout of bronchitis. He ended up gaining a lot of weight (30 lbs) and felt lethargic a good chunk of the time. After he got off teh suff he managed to lose the weight, but he wasn't on the stuff. Ok so maybe he could breathe better but he said the side effects made life awful.
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How long until this Tour is declared null and void? It's a complete disaster. 'Mon Dieu, they 'DO' all dope!!!'

I know I'm a bit cynical, but I think blood boosting using the rider's own blood should be allowed. Standard 'pick-me-ups' like pseudoephedrine within safe limits..sure, why not. Caffeine is allowed, after all. Pro cycling is the hardest, wackiest sport going, so why shouldn't it's participants be allowed a little leeway with respect to enhancements? Ever seen baseball played in 35 F rainstorms? Golf? Put limits on it, that's all. 50% hematocrit, x concentration of substances a-through-z...I mean, if they're doing it ANYWAYS...and always HAVE...

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Why would any of these people want to take asthma drugs in the first place? What about all the side effects? My brother had to take asthma drugs for about 6 months to clear up some breathing issues associated with a bout of bronchitis. He ended up gaining a lot of weight (30 lbs) and felt lethargic a good chunk of the time. After he got off teh suff he managed to lose the weight, but he wasn't on the stuff. Ok so maybe he could breathe better but he said the side effects made life awful.
That was probably from a steriod (not anabolic you goofballs) like prednisone that caused him to gain weight. Prednisone is nasty stuff.

Asthma medicine like albuterol inhalers can help just about anyone. I've got very mild exercise induced asthma, and if I take albuterol when I'm asymptomatic it makes a very small percieved performance difference.
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Explains why he was so supportive of the notion that Floyd "deserved" the win.
Funny how the cyclists that presumably have been wronged by other cyclist's doping never seem to be too worked up about it.
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Right, they only say that its unfortunate, or unlucky etc. and when the suspensions are up, they go back to work, and everyone is cool with it.
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This is a paperwork screw rather than a doping scandal. Pereiro has a TUE someplace else he would have been stripped of his Second Place finish at the TdF. This case does highlight the apparently rampant abuse of the Therapeutic Use Exemptions (TUE) system. Perhaps instead of spewing insults about mafia countries Pound should try to reform the TUE system.
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