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    Cat 5 Crash Rant

    I see it often when a new guys asks about racing, I see it when others say they just want to get out of Cat5 so they can avoid the idiots and the unsafe riding. Everybody knows that Cat5s are just a crash waiting to happen.

    But....

    Every cat has their crashes, you rarely see a pro race without one, they may be different reasons, in the cat 5 there may be more because people are less experienced, in cat4-3 they may be becuase you hvae a mix of inexperience and agression, in cat 2,1 pros maybe its just not paying attention.

    But lets face it, the sport has its inherent dangers and $hit happens and there are crashes, but I haven't seen any more in Cat 5 than in the other cats.

    Just saying....fire away you elitest snobs : )

    Thank g that I live in CO so I can't be a cat5, I have to be a cat4 and I get to avoid them dern cat5s

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    i agree. i've seen roughly the same amount of crashes in all the categories. however, cat 5 is usually a smaller group so i think the ratio of crashes per person is somewhat higher.

    also, in cat 5 you get a lot of close calls. just stupid stuff like people overreacting to situations, excessive braking, not holding lines etc. that's the kind of stuff that gets old quickly and makes it seem unsafe.

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    the majority of cat 4 and 5s crash for no reason. here's an example

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    What the!

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto
    the majority of cat 4 and 5s crash for no reason. here's an example


    I've heard it said that lower cats crash by accident, higher cats crash by design.
    Masochism is a training adaptation.

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    seems like cat 5 crashes are often for no reason. Usually someone in the outside lane cutting inside on corners, people cutting inside without calling "inside" or "bike left," or on a quick left-right turn the guys on the inner side on the first corner take the inner corner on the 2nd turn forcing the next rider into the barricades.. AY-YAH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
    I've heard it said that lower cats crash by accident, higher cats crash by design.
    I would like to see some video of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 'nother
    I would like to see some video of that.
    Have you seen Breaking Away?
    Masochism is a training adaptation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
    Haven't you seen Breaking Away?
    ha ha, yeah, the most accurate cycling documentary ever made
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    Proof of its accuracy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdg91Z0VgDw
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    Quote Originally Posted by botto
    the majority of cat 4 and 5s crash for no reason. here's an example
    I'm a cat nothing, but I always think of a good reason before I crash. Just yesterday, I decided that the gal standing at the bus stop was just way too hot for my mortal eyes, then I crashed into a gaggle of trash cans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
    Proof of its accuracy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdg91Z0VgDw
    don't shun the little ring
    oh wtf, 50mph in the little ring! what was he running in the back, a 2 tooth cog?

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto
    the majority of cat 4 and 5s crash for no reason. here's an example
    Pro's do stupid things like that too. 2 years ago in the Giro a Phonak rider suffered a mechanical on a flat, wide road. A team mate immediately stopped to assist. About 5 seconds later a third Phonak rider rode into the other two at nearly full speed. No one was seriously injured and all three finished the stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by platypus
    oh wtf, 50mph in the little ring! what was he running in the back, a 2 tooth cog?
    Nice little director error there. One scene large chain ring few minutes later he is in the smalls. whoops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyMtnMerlin
    Pro's do stupid things like that too. 2 years ago in the Giro a Phonak rider suffered a mechanical on a flat, wide road. A team mate immediately stopped to assist. About 5 seconds later a third Phonak rider rode into the other two at nearly full speed. No one was seriously injured and all three finished the stage.
    In the Giro a few years back I watched a rider crest a big mountain pass, sit up to put on his jacket, and while trying to do so got his sleeve caught in the spokes and crashed like a dork.

    (Oh, and BTW, I once saw a professional basketball player miss a layup.)

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    Can't remember which Pro it was, but he saw a piece of plastic bag tangled around the front hub. He reached down to grab the loose (rotating) end and just like that, his fingers were sucked into the wheel and one of them was cut off by the spokes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyMtnMerlin
    Can't remember which Pro it was, but he saw a piece of plastic bag tangled around the front hub. He reached down to grab the loose (rotating) end and just like that, his fingers were sucked into the wheel and one of them was cut off by the spokes!
    Yikes!


    Back to the Cat 5 thing...yeah, of course everyone's suspicious of newcomers -- in any sport -- and the more intense/dangerous the activity, rightly so. But let's not pretend that all cat 5s are dangerous and no one else is. Clearly there are boneheads, or even otherwise smart people that do bonehead stuff, at every level
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    Quote Originally Posted by 'nother
    Clearly there are boneheads, or even otherwise smart people that do bonehead stuff, at every level
    this sounds like a good idea for a thread. what is the most boneheaded move you've ever done in a race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto
    the majority of cat 4 and 5s crash for no reason. here's an example
    That's friggin hilarious! Just run into the back wheel of the guy in front of you!

    EDIT: Is that even a race botto? There are only 4 riders spread all over the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan
    this sounds like a good idea for a thread. what is the most boneheaded move you've ever done in a race?
    Ha!

    Is "entered it" going to be one of the answers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by galen_52657
    That's friggin hilarious! Just run into the back wheel of the guy in front of you!
    still makes me laugh. candians. go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyMtnMerlin
    Pro's do stupid things like that too. 2 years ago in the Giro a Phonak rider suffered a mechanical on a flat, wide road. A team mate immediately stopped to assist. About 5 seconds later a third Phonak rider rode into the other two at nearly full speed. No one was seriously injured and all three finished the stage.
    yeah, but that was a rare occurence in the pros, and the video was a common one for a cat 4/5 race.

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    I would say the most common cause of crashes in the lower cats is overlapping wheels and second is braking too hard and taking the guy in back out.
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    Last season there were far more crashes in C4 and C3 than in C5. From my experience talking with C5's they are so concerned about crashing that they were actually more careful. The stereotype of a cat five crash fest just hasn't played out in my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
    Last season there were far more crashes in C4 and C3 than in C5. From my experience talking with C5's they are so concerned about crashing that they were actually more careful. The stereotype of a cat five crash fest just hasn't played out in my experience.
    IME as a 3 you get to know the guys you're racing with, or at least you get to know who to avoid.

    in the 4s that didn't happen, due to the fact that guys were upgrading, and the multitude of newbies. no clue what a 5 race is like, seeing as i was fortunate to avoid that mess.

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