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Old 02-01-07, 05:29 PM   #1
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This is becoming severely annoying (bike fit)

It really amazes me at how much 1 little adjustment can lead to "chaos"....

Short version: left cleat moved/shifted slight back in December, resulting in some slight knee discomfort (no pain). Took a couple weeks before I looked at my shoes and saw that the left cleat moved. Made some slight re-adjustments, and it seemed ok, but wanted to have an experienced fitter-guy take a look. The guy who did my original fit (and custom insoles) lives in Arizona, so that wasn't an option. The new guy said my position was all off (cleats, seat, etc.) and wanted to make some changes.

Moved the seat down and forward about a 1/4" or so, and he moved my cleats back to get my feet a bit more forward. This was very reminiscent of my old position, and all my old aches and pains immediately returned. I put my position and cleats back as close as I could get them, and now I have this issue where my right foot cannot seem to lay "flat" on the footbed of my shoe.

This is becoming severely annoying...to the point where I don't even want to ride my bike. I had planned on doing a 3 hour ride today.....turned into a 1 hour 15 minute ride. My toes seem to want to curl up in the shoe, and my foot won't relax. Anyone ever experience this?
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Man I'd never let a guy make that many changes to my fit. Sounds like you were pretty close before he touched your bike, can you fool around a bit more to get it back? I always measure every thing on my bike and write it down. I have my fit down to the mm so if anything should shift I've got a written reference.
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Well, I knew the measurement of my seat height, and my seat had clamp marks where it had been, so that was easy to put back. He also outlined my cleats before moving them so I could put them back. Sooooo......this has become quite frustrating.

I have a request in with my original fitter to get my fit assessment numbers...particularly for my cleats, but that seems to be taking longer than it should.
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I have a request in with my original fitter to get my fit assessment numbers...particularly for my cleats, but that seems to be taking longer than it should.
- you didn't get a printout on your original fitting?

(never had a fitting, aside from a cursory couple minutes post-bike purchase... but i'm in good touch with what's needed for comfort on 50+ milers and haven't had problems [knock wood]... also, i've found my fit changes during the season, and make my own changes as needed)
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For whatever reason, I didn't get my chart with the numbers.

I'll have to play around with it a bit more, but I wish I could figure out why my foot is doing what it's doing.
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Were there any shims in your cleats that he might have moved or removed? I really feel for ya, I'm very sensitive to fit changes, even just a little bit of slip in a cleat or bars drives me crazy.
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Nope....I have custom insoles in my shoes. I am in need of a new pair of shoes, but have been dreading that because of transferring cleats. Guess I don't have to worry too much about that right now, eh? Perhaps I'll go shoe shopping this weekend .

I hear ya on the sensitivity thing. I moved my seat down just a friggin' hair, and I could tell the difference.
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Just spoke with my original fitters' assistant - my right cleat is supposed to be set to 1 degree external, and my left cleat should be set to 0 degrees (neutral). Going shoe shopping tomorrow. I hope my feet don't decide on a $400 pair of Sidi's.
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Wow....just bought a pair of Sidi Genius 5's.....HUGE difference in fit/feel and initial comfort over my old Time IronCx pieces of crap.

Wish I bought these things a lot sooner.
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yeah this is the exact reason i don't trust bike fitters. nobody knows you body better than yourself =)
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yeah this is the exact reason i don't trust bike fitters. nobody knows you body better than yourself =)
The problem is, the first fitter had my position nailed down perfectly. He's a well-respected/well-regarded guy by people in-the-know and has been doing it for decades. Unfortunately he's pretty much "retired", and lives in AZ. He comes back east a few times a year, and will do the occasional fitting. However, after talking to his assistant the other day, my name got bumped up on the list whenever he's around and doing fittings again

The second guy I just went to is also very knowledgable and has been doing it for 20 years - www.fittoride.com is the place, although they just closed up the shop and now they do it out of their homes. Brian Case did my fitting, and while he knows his stuff, I knew before he made any adjustments that my body would not like them (since he basically moved me back to where I was before seeing Bill P. last July). Sure enough....one ride, and all my old pains came back. Moved my seat back to where I had it before, and it was fine. I don't fault Brian at all - I just have a weird body. What he was saying and explaining to me as to why he wanted to move things made perfect sense, but for whatever reason, it just doesn't work for me.

This is all over a stupid cleat moving. It's unreal. At any rate, now my feet have to get used to the Sidi's apparently - my arches were killing me about an hour into the ride today (the same pain I had when I first got my custom insoles back in July - went away after a few rides). My right foot still wants to curl up, but after some cleat adjustments, it's not as bad as before.....but the problem still exists. Once I get that worked out, I should be pretty good to go.

Those Sidi shoes sure are nice though. I like the ratcheting system, and the feel of the shoe itself - snug, but not overly tight/constricting. It's just right. Should be a worthwhile investment.
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