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Old 03-08-07, 07:00 AM   #1
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Last night I hopped on the trainer for an hour to do some intervals. After warming up I start going hard. Once I get to the point that I feel like dying I look down and see my heart rate is only in the 170s but I feel like I can barely go any harder. After a few more 1 minute intervals my hr stays the same so I switch to 5 minute intervals and my hr is only in the 160s but again im feeling so beat.

Stuff like this kills me. My max hr is something like 190. When I cant even get in the 180s when i think im working really hard i start to ask myself what the heck im trying to do.
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Is that 190s MHR tested or theoretical? If it isn't tested you may not actually be able to get into the 190s.
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I'm assuming you know your max HR because you've seen it there before?


Also, MaxHR can shift around a lot from day to day - but I guess if you consistantly have a hard time getting it up you either need to push yourself harder, or if you are already going 150% just accept that you have a pretty low LThr in relation to your max heart rate so it will be very very difficult to get it up there.
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ive never seen my max hr but ive definitely hit 189 during races and on brutal climbs.
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FYI, my max heart rate was 203 (my highest ever was 207) last night during 1 minute intervals (I do 1 minute on, i minute off, X4 with 6 min of rest inbetween and then repeat)... I prop my trainer wheel up about 6-8 inches, put the trainer at it's hardest setting and put the bike in the big ring and little cog and grind away for a minute standing.

Sounds like you need a rest day Riskus.. not being able to hit max HR can be a sign of overtraining
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HR can be funky sometimes. There are days when your HR will be like a rocket and others where it'll be very sluggish. It's subject to other factors independent of your on the bike effort. Things that make my HR less responsive or sluggish are when I'm fatigued from prior days training, bad night or several bad nights sleep (I have a newborn at home, so I have alot of these), dehydration. For 1' efforts, it normally takes me 45" or so to get to LTHR, climbs the last 15" and then will drift even higher during the first few seconds of the recovery interval. For intervals of less than 3' I treat the HR monitor as kind of a high score machine, but I train using perceived exertion more than anything else, just works for me.

It might benefit you to do some testing either in lab or on the road to determine your LTHR and set training zones from there. Max HR is really not a useful # for establishing training intensity levels.
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......For intervals of less than 3' I treat the HR monitor as kind of a high score machine, but I train using perceived exertion more than anything else, just works for me.

.......Max HR is really not a useful # for establishing training intensity levels.

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If you feel like you're killing yourself, and your HR is way lower than it normally would be, take a few days off the bike and rest.
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well i was definitely tired yesterday so that could explain it. im also new to the indoor trainer thing.

ive done a lthr test and it came out to be 170.

I think I just need to work on getting used to the trainer. Its also really hard to climb on that thing at 7pm when ive just gotten home from work and being up since 4am. It just makes me feel weak.
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+1 to the variability on max hr and getting some recovery

If you've been training hard, your legs might be shot, and not able to consume enough oxygen to cause a high heart rate.

I've been feeling like I just took a jump in VO2 max because my legs have started getting more tired, but my benchmark times are faster. Every couple months, my fitness takes a little leap, and my legs have to catch up to provide the demand for the new supply. During my hill repeats this week, I was progressing my HR each repeat like I always do, and after my 182bpm repeat, I could no longer average over 179bpm. My legs were shot, but I felt great everywhere else, and I still set a PR for average time on 6 repeats.

So maybe tired legs or fitness jump for you? It could be a good sign
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Last night I hopped on the trainer for an hour to do some intervals. After warming up I start going hard. Once I get to the point that I feel like dying I look down and see my heart rate is only in the 170s but I feel like I can barely go any harder. After a few more 1 minute intervals my hr stays the same so I switch to 5 minute intervals and my hr is only in the 160s but again im feeling so beat.

Stuff like this kills me. My max hr is something like 190. When I cant even get in the 180s when i think im working really hard i start to ask myself what the heck im trying to do.
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I've noticed my heart rate while doing the same intervals and rpms indoors on my trainer is completely different than doing the same thing outdoors. So I use it as more of a guage than a finite marker, because I can't afford a power setup.
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ive never seen my max hr but ive definitely hit 189 during races and on brutal climbs.

You have seen you MHR. It's 189. Your hardest efforts in races are pretty likely to exhibit the highest HR you can hit.

Your MHR is the highest HR you can hit, so until you see higher, its 189.

Not that MHR matters
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You have seen you MHR. It's 189. Your hardest efforts in races are pretty likely to exhibit the highest HR you can hit.

Your MHR is the highest HR you can hit, so until you see higher, its 189.

Not that MHR matters
thats why i said something like 190
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If you feel like you're killing yourself, and your HR is way lower than it normally would be, take a few days off the bike and rest.
+1. Two races every weekend plus intervals during the week, along with your HR not coming up, would indicate that you might be overdoing it.
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so do you think i should just stay off the bike today and tomorrow if im going to race 2-3 times this weekend?
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^^^^^

I'd make today (thursday ) a rest day. Then do a 1 hour ride Friday at recovery pace, but with a couple of 5 minute tempo efforts,and 2-3 sprints.
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thanks i will try that.
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I'd make today (thursday ) a rest day. Then do a 1 hour ride Friday at recovery pace, but with a couple of 5 minute tempo efforts,and 2-3 sprints.
+1. Take it easy today. I tend to throw in my yoga DVD on rest days... It works wonders!

And when your Powertap shows up, do the testing to figure out your FTP and start tracking your data. I've found the Performance Manager is very helpful in reminding me to recover. Also, unlike the PowerAgent software, you can quantify the intensity of workouts and races. For instance, there's a psychological boost in knowing that my interval workout on tuesday was a harder effort than the Tradezone race on Sunday.

But yeah, don't underestimate rest days and active recovery rides. If nothing else they're a great opportunity to remember that cycling is just fun.
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You have seen you MHR. It's 189. Your hardest efforts in races are pretty likely to exhibit the highest HR you can hit.

Your MHR is the highest HR you can hit, so until you see higher, its 189.

Not that MHR matters
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So then would you use this as your 100% and work down from there to get your "zones"? I've had some explain it that this would be your 90-95% since you couldn't really get to your max without keeling over.

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^^^^^^^^

you dont need to know your max hr. you should just do some testing to find your lt hr and then make your zones from there.
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you dont need to know your max hr. you should just do some testing to find your lt hr and then make your zones from there.
Anyone have any self tests for LT Threshold? Would something on the Polar 725x be able to put you in the general area?

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i think you can just do a 30 minute all out time trial and take the average hr for the last 20 minutes and use that as your lthr
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