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Well, our main race series in Georgia has adopted the stage race format which means winning the TT is paramount to winning the GC. I just got my bonus check in and I'm looking to buy a dedicated TT bike.
My budget is about $5k including wheelset. I have a few questions though.
-My current FTP is only about 320-330, should I be even worrying about getting the best of the best stuff right now? I haven't really trained the 2x20 stuff, so I'm hoping I can get it into the 400s with LOTS more training. I can put out a lot more power in my normal road setup than when I put clipons on and move the seat up and forward.
-Is there some great frame/bike bargain I'm overlooking? I will need at least a size 60cm, but prefer larger.
I'm currently figuring on getting one of the Cervelos, probably either a P2SL or P2C with Zipp 999's or a P3 and just using my Carbones for now. Also been looking at the Blue T14(if it's big enough), Specialized S-Works Transition, Trek Equinox, Q'Roo & maybe the Giant...It's all a little overwhelming and for $5000, I want to make sure I get the right stuff(seems like I can't go wrong with a P3).
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
My budget is about $5k including wheelset. I have a few questions though.
-My current FTP is only about 320-330, should I be even worrying about getting the best of the best stuff right now? I haven't really trained the 2x20 stuff, so I'm hoping I can get it into the 400s with LOTS more training. I can put out a lot more power in my normal road setup than when I put clipons on and move the seat up and forward.
-Is there some great frame/bike bargain I'm overlooking? I will need at least a size 60cm, but prefer larger.
I'm currently figuring on getting one of the Cervelos, probably either a P2SL or P2C with Zipp 999's or a P3 and just using my Carbones for now. Also been looking at the Blue T14(if it's big enough), Specialized S-Works Transition, Trek Equinox, Q'Roo & maybe the Giant...It's all a little overwhelming and for $5000, I want to make sure I get the right stuff(seems like I can't go wrong with a P3).
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Well, if you're going to dump 5k into your TT bike it seems like you'd want the best.
People seem to agree that the P3 is the best...
People seem to agree that the P3 is the best...
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well, if I can get away with spending much less and still get a lot of value, I'd rather spend 2-3 grand. I'm sort of leaning towards the P2SL w/Dura Ace mix aero kit and using my 'bones front/back until I can get a decent disc on ebay or something, then just go Zipp disc in the back, Carbone in the front.
edit: Plus for some reason I love the sound of the front derailleur changing gears on an aluminum TT bike. CLANG!
edit: Plus for some reason I love the sound of the front derailleur changing gears on an aluminum TT bike. CLANG!
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Originally Posted by branman1986
well, if I can get away with spending much less and still get a lot of value, I'd rather spend 2-3 grand. I'm sort of leaning towards the P2SL w/Dura Ace mix aero kit and using my 'bones front/back until I can get a decent disc on ebay or something, then just go Zipp disc in the back, Carbone in the front.
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Originally Posted by branman1986
-My current FTP is only about 320-330, should I be even worrying about getting the best of the best stuff right now? I haven't really trained the 2x20 stuff, so I'm hoping I can get it into the 400s with LOTS more training.
As to the question, my P3C has yet to let me down. I would not KNOW what would be "more aero" a P2 with a disk, or a P3 with the carbones, but if I had to guess, a disc will probably save more time in a 40k than will the differences between the P2 and P3.
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I though the shape of the P3 completely eliminates the rear wheel from the wind...so it wouldn't matter what wheel was on the rear. The wind doesn't see it anyway. So I think a disc in rear would offer minute benefits at best.
Yea, P3's are incredible machines.
Yea, P3's are incredible machines.
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Originally Posted by DreamTheater
I though the shape of the P3 completely eliminates the rear wheel from the wind...so it wouldn't matter what wheel was on the rear.
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Originally Posted by DrWJODonnell
First, ONLY 320-330? Secondly, into the 400's is incredible.
As to the question, my P3C has yet to let me down. I would not KNOW what would be "more aero" a P2 with a disk, or a P3 with the carbones, but if I had to guess, a disc will probably save more time in a 40k than will the differences between the P2 and P3.
As to the question, my P3C has yet to let me down. I would not KNOW what would be "more aero" a P2 with a disk, or a P3 with the carbones, but if I had to guess, a disc will probably save more time in a 40k than will the differences between the P2 and P3.
Okay, I want to get it to 360+ Sorry, somehow I got my calculations screwed up. If I can get it to 369, that's at the top range of Cat 3 for my weight. At 320, I'm in the Cat 4 range.
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If it were me (and I say that because I've followed a similar path as you), I would spend less on the frame and more on the wheelset. In my case, I bought a $1000 Motobecane Nemesis and a used pair of Zipp 404s with a PT.
I don't think frame aerodynamics make very much difference compared to your body and the wheels and I can always upgrade the frameset later and I have a nice set of wheels I can transfer to the new bike if I ever feel the need to spend more on a TT bike. I also don't think you really _need_ anything higher than Ultegra for a TT bike (but I certainly don't hold it against folks who have full carbon, full DA TT bikes--I lust after their bikes but hold no grudge).
--Steve
I don't think frame aerodynamics make very much difference compared to your body and the wheels and I can always upgrade the frameset later and I have a nice set of wheels I can transfer to the new bike if I ever feel the need to spend more on a TT bike. I also don't think you really _need_ anything higher than Ultegra for a TT bike (but I certainly don't hold it against folks who have full carbon, full DA TT bikes--I lust after their bikes but hold no grudge).
--Steve
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Originally Posted by branman1986
hmm, I guess I was going by the chart with the different w/kgs...WHOOPS! nvm...let me restate
Okay, I want to get it to 360+ Sorry, somehow I got my calculations screwed up. If I can get it to 369, that's at the top range of Cat 3 for my weight. At 320, I'm in the Cat 4 range.
Okay, I want to get it to 360+ Sorry, somehow I got my calculations screwed up. If I can get it to 369, that's at the top range of Cat 3 for my weight. At 320, I'm in the Cat 4 range.
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Wow, branman, you are in an enviable position. For that kind of dough you can get a really beautiful bike. I recommend a P3C. No going wrong there. I've yet to find someone who owns one complain about it. I have the P2C and that is also a very fast bike. If I had to do it again, though, I'd get the P3C. If you can't find a decent used one, then just get the frame for now and start building it up slowly. Cobble your parts together from ebay and save some dough, so that you'll have something left over for the wheels.
I'm a bit different in my recommendations than the others in that I would start with a top notch frame and then work toward the wheels slowly.
I'm a bit different in my recommendations than the others in that I would start with a top notch frame and then work toward the wheels slowly.
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Originally Posted by grebletie
Just curious. Is your weight a lean weight? Because if you could lose some weight, but maintain the same FTP, that would be pretty phenomenal.
edit: heh, I keep switching from one end of the spectrum to the other(P2SL to P3)...TT equipment is just so frickin sweet, and I'd love to be a TT monster like the good Doc.
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Originally Posted by branman1986
I'm probably 10-11% bodyfat, so it's pretty lean weight. The lowest I can possibly see myself wanting to go is about 195lbs.
edit: heh, I keep switching from one end of the spectrum to the other(P2SL to P3)...TT equipment is just so frickin sweet, and I'd love to be a TT monster like the good Doc.
edit: heh, I keep switching from one end of the spectrum to the other(P2SL to P3)...TT equipment is just so frickin sweet, and I'd love to be a TT monster like the good Doc.
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Another option is to hunt down a NOS or second hand P3 (non carbon model). Put the rest of the money into wheels, power meter, TT fitting and perhaps even book some time in the Wind tunnel...
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that's an amazing FT branman. although im tending to think that 5k is def not going to get u the best of the best...TT rigs are expensive! 5k will of course go pretty far tho and im curious to see what you're able to put together in the end with that budget. goodluck!
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I'd go P3 or Giant over the P2. I've raced the P2 and am not a huge fan, it's pretty harsh. The Giant frameset, when you factor in the brakes, bars, and cables is actually a pretty nice value, is quite fast, and has excellent ride quality. I'd buy some wheels and see how much you have left over, then make your decision.
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I don't think Giant's come in a large enough size
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Originally Posted by branman1986
I don't think Giant's come in a large enough size
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DAMN YOU ENABLERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously...I hate you people...
I can't believe I'm gonna drop this much dough on a TT bike........................................
oh, frickin' well, only live once
(thanks guys )
I can't believe I'm gonna drop this much dough on a TT bike........................................
oh, frickin' well, only live once
(thanks guys )
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Originally Posted by branman1986
DAMN YOU ENABLERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously...I hate you people...
I can't believe I'm gonna drop this much dough on a TT bike........................................
oh, frickin' well, only live once
(thanks guys )
I can't believe I'm gonna drop this much dough on a TT bike........................................
oh, frickin' well, only live once
(thanks guys )
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I would still debate the weight. At 10-11%, you're still not too "lean" on the cyclist scale if you'd be aiming for 195. Not sure on the height but it may end up being a debate of keep/lose the upper body muscle mass. I made that sacrifice this year and dropped 15 lbs with a desire to drop another 5 to stay consistently in the 168-170 range ( I can get there pretty much any given week but I tend to hover at 172-173 ). I was able to maintain (and improve) my FTP over the winter with the weight loss and am looking at this season with pretty high hopes.
Either way, I was just reading the other day that the aero disk cover is actually better off than the full disk wheel. Not sure if that's the truth or not, but it was over on slowtwitch and they usually keep their aero info pretty accurate.
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Either way, I was just reading the other day that the aero disk cover is actually better off than the full disk wheel. Not sure if that's the truth or not, but it was over on slowtwitch and they usually keep their aero info pretty accurate.
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Originally Posted by NomadVW
Either way, I was just reading the other day that the aero disk cover is actually better off than the full disk wheel. Not sure if that's the truth or not, but it was over on slowtwitch and they usually keep their aero info pretty accurate.
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Branman,
I would second putting money in wheels. The aero position of the rider, then the aerodynamics of the wheels, will make more difference than the aerodynamics of the frame itself.
Thus I'd get a Zipp disc, and an 808 front ( or a Trispoke), then find a frame that fits you well within the remainder of the budget ( leaving enough for a TT helmet, skinsuit, and booties).
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Originally Posted by NomadVW
Either way, I was just reading the other day that the aero disk cover is actually better off than the full disk wheel.
And save some for the aero bottle and cage and a Bell Meteor.
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