Namenda

Yes, you'll get shelled. But everybody will be casting long, envious glances at your wheels as they blow by you like you're standing still.

patentcad

Exactly. So I will have that going for me.

Namenda

You could change your name to pariahcad...

patentcad

I am widely hated under my current moniker. Why confuse the weenie masses?

Regardless, this discussion is several levels above your Weenie Grade, and I can no longer respond to your redundant taunts.

Namenda

I'm a lot of things, but I ain't not redundant.

bluecd

X2.

you'll buy the 404s thinking they'll only be used for racing but they look & perform so damn good that you won't want to take them off. i flatted 8-10 times last year on my 404 clinchers and it was nice just throwing a new tube in there & continuing my ride.

i love the look & weight savings of the tubulars but since they weren't coming off anytime soon the clinchers were the way to go.

TMB

The only thing I will tell you is if you buy the Zipps do NOT use Tufo Extreme tape on them.

I have been hearing stories from both the Tufo distributor and the Zipp people that the Extreme Tape is resulting in fiber tear on Zipp wheels.

Use glue for best results.

531Aussie

yeah, it's a heap of a lot of money for maybe 1kph.

I've been going nuts lately, trying to figure out if any of these types of wheels are worth it for anything but time-trials.

According to the "Great Wheel Test", the 'aero' wheels are only 10 watts more efficient than a $200 pair of Mavic Aksiums! According to the Kreuzotter calculator, 10 watts, at or around 30mph, provides a speed increase of 0.3mph on flat roads. If an aero wheel is 20 watts more efficient than a normal wheel (32 spokeds) at the same speeds, that's about a 0.5mph increase.
https://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm

There are obviously other benefits with good wheels, such as stiffness and hub quality, but I reckon it's the aerodynamics that gives the real, quantifiable speed difference.

https://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-4934445.html


...............................watts absorbed at 50kph

Zipp 808......................................18.1
Ritchey WCS Carbon....................19.3
HED Hed 3...................................19.7
Vuelta Carbon Pro WR.................20.8
Easton Tempest II Carbon...........21.6
CKT Splendor................................21.7
Mavic Cosmic Carbone SL.............21.9
Shimano WH-7801 Carbon 50......22.9
Campagnolo Bora G3....................23.0
Rose Aerospoke...........................23.0
Corima Turbospoke ......................23.1
Bntrga Race X Lite Crbn aero........23.4
Fulcrum Racing Speed...................23.7
Gipiemme Carbon 5-5...................24.1
Tune Olympic Gold 2005................24.1
Shimano WH-7801 Carbon............24.4
FRM FL-R 23 SD Aerolight..............24.6
Corima Aero..................................24.7
Lightweight Obermayer................24.8
Xentis Mark 1................................25.0
Citec 3000S Aero..........................25.5
Shimano WH-R560........................26.1
Lightweight Ventoux/Standard.....27.3
Campagnolo Eurus........................27.8
Tune Skyline 2006.........................28.1
FSA RD-600...................................28.7
Mavic Aksium Race........................30.0
Citec 3000S..................................30.6
Ambrosio X-Carbo.........................31.5
Campagnolo Hyperon...................32.1
Mavic Ksyrium ES..........................33.2

Lithuania

i laugh out loud each time you mention the hand wringing and teeth gnashing

i picture Mr Burns getting ready to buy a bike

patentcad

It's ALL about the 'getting ready' part. That's exciting. Actually acquring the schwag is like the cigarette after sex.

Wait, this might be the wrong room for that joke. Any ex-smokers here?

botto 

yes.

El Diablo Rojo

Yep, and I used to be very good friends with Mr Glenlivet and Mr Glenfiddich and few illicit drugs as well. But I was younger and my body was able to take the abuse...now not so much. Of course if had a set Zipp 404 tuburlars to look forward too I would have quit doing all those things even earlier...go buy the wheels you swissy, weenie, you are worse than a woman trying to decide on a pair of shoes. Next thing you are going to be asking if we think you look fat in your kit. Well you do, so get over it and buy the wheels.

Namenda

Smoked for 17 years. Stopped 7/15/05.

botto 

i still get together with those guys when the opportunity arises.

LowCel 

Does three packs a day count? I quit 2/21/01 and started riding to reward myself. I figured I would still spend less money than I did on cigarettes. I was wrong!

On a side note, how much faster do you think the 404's would be than the Spinergy Stealth PBO's that I have?

patentcad

As usual on BF, sorry I asked.

botto 

and well you should be. now go stand in the corner.

domestique

The only way to know is to buy the 404's and send both wheelsets to me. I will take the time and test them extensively for you.

El Diablo Rojo

You expected?.......

patentcad

I might consider this if you agree to start smoking again before you commence the test program.

sverrefehn

Is that when you display your dancing skills?

botto 

can i volunteer?

one of my favorite cycling moments in recent years was seeing the shocked looks on the faces of a bunch of cyclists when i pulled a cigarette out of my saddle bag after finishing my first Gran Fondo.

nothing like a smokey treat after 7 hours of riding

botto 

no need to for alcohol to bust a move.

patentcad

Is Nicotine on the UCI list of banned substances? I think if you test positive for that you should be given a 10 second time bonus.

ElJamoquio

Nope - Longmorn-Glenlivet. Tasty.