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Old 04-11-07, 06:11 PM   #1
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I Took the Botto race prep test tonight...

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My Advice:

1. find some group rides, fast group rides. sit in the back.

2. don't get discouraged if/when you get dropped from those group rides.

3. go back the following week and do the fast group ride again.

4. if you've been dropped a 2nd time, repeat steps 2 & 3

5. once you're comfortable with the group and pace (and vice versa), take some pulls.

6. once you're comfortable taking pulls, try some attacks (if it's that kind of group ride).

7. once you're comfortable with steps 5 & 6, it's time to enter a race.

8. at you first race, repeat steps 1-6, but substitute 'race' for 'group ride'.
Went out on a group ride with five riders that are going to be in the upcoming Saturday "Roubaix" race in Salem NY. After the speed reached 25mph I could only hang for 8+ miles. So out of the 30 mile loop I stayed with them for about 11-12 miles. I finished the loop at my "B" pace of 19-22MPH.

So back to steps two and three.
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Old 04-11-07, 06:12 PM   #2
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Well, if you were drafting at 25 and soloing at 19-22, you seem like you're almost there.
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That's a good strong pace. I'm a 5, and our "A" rides go at a similar pace. Chances are, that's actually faster than you'll need to go to hang with the 5's. Just sayin.
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That's a good strong pace. I'm a 5, and our "A" rides go at a similar pace. Chances are, that's actually faster than you'll need to go to hang with the 5's. Just sayin.
As a 5, I noticed the same thing as well. Seems like the few races I've done so far, are less intense (with the exception of the sprint finish) than a spirited "A" club ride.
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I Took the Botto race prep test tonight...



Went out on a group ride with five riders that are going to be in the upcoming Saturday "Roubaix" race in Salem NY. After the speed reached 25mph I could only hang for 8+ miles. So out of the 30 mile loop I stayed with them for about 11-12 miles. I finished the loop at my "B" pace of 19-22MPH.

So back to steps two and three.
Keep in mind that it's tougher to hang with a group of 5 than it is with a group of 50+.
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Greg, just head out there and do it. Your first race will likely suck, so the sooner you get it out of the way, the better. If you get dropped, so what? You'll likely know in a big way what you need to work on for the next race.

I've learned that some of my best races happen when I quit thinking about it so much and just race.

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Yeah, the tough part isn't the 23-25 mph average in the race. It's the fact that much of the race is at 21 mph, and there are still enough 30mph surges to get the average up to 23-25

It sounds like you're doing great. Just remember that in a race, the guy next to you is probably hurting just as bad. Suffer through the surges and the pack will recover.
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It sounds like you're doing great. Just remember that in a race, the guy next to you is probably hurting just as bad. Suffer through the surges and the pack will recover.
...then attack them.
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In my estimation last night was the equivalent lining up with KP and Bechung for a "fast" ride. There was no one there over 35 except me. One rider was a Cat 2, Two were threes and fours made up the remainder. I knew the minute we took off that this was going to be fun. But as I told Tom, (the leader), Next week it will take 15 miles to drop me!

Whether I think I am ready or not I will be on the starting line on the 29th and I will have no fear! Actually thinking about it brings a smile to my face!

If anyone is old school military and remembers the pit competitions, that is what it reminds me of.
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...then attack them.
Bastard. I swear my HR went up 20 beats just reading that. Now I want to go rip someone's legs off. Hey, wait, I'm leaving to do Jester for a PR in 20 minutes... I get to rip off my own legs!
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Bastard. I swear my HR went up 20 beats just reading that. Now I want to go rip someone's legs off. Hey, wait, I'm leaving to do Jester for a PR in 20 minutes... I get to rip off my own legs!
Hey, it got me into a little break for a while... Problem was when I got caught and everyone else started ramping it up I was hanging desperately on the back to recover. Ah well, you don't get any better winning.
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Bastard. I swear my HR went up 20 beats just reading that. Now I want to go rip someone's legs off. Hey, wait, I'm leaving to do Jester for a PR in 20 minutes... I get to rip off my own legs!
while you're at it, please rip out all of those offending tufts of hair folicles.

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Whether I think I am ready or not I will be on the starting line on the 29th and I will have no fear! Actually thinking about it brings a smile to my face!
That's the right 'tude, man. You gonna be doing the Palmer RR, right?
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That's the right 'tude, man. You gonna be doing the Palmer RR, right?
Thats the race. Hear it is a good race for noobs. Good roads, Ggod groups and nothing too extreme. Also close to home, only a thirty minute drive.
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In my estimation last night was the equivalent lining up with KP and Bechung for a "fast" ride. There was no one there over 35 except me. One rider was a Cat 2, Two were threes and fours made up the remainder. I knew the minute we took off that this was going to be fun. But as I told Tom, (the leader), Next week it will take 15 miles to drop me!

Whether I think I am ready or not I will be on the starting line on the 29th and I will have no fear! Actually thinking about it brings a smile to my face!

If anyone is old school military and remembers the pit competitions, that is what it reminds me of.
just remember: whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger!
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just remember: whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger!
It's clear that Nietzsche never got into bike racing.
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I knew the minute we took off that this was going to be fun. But as I told Tom, (the leader), Next week it will take 15 miles to drop me!
Heh....if you read my report below, even though I didn't mention it, I started wondering what the hell I had gotten myself into around Mile 10. By Mile 15, I had a pretty clear understanding.

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Whether I think I am ready or not I will be on the starting line on the 29th and I will have no fear! Actually thinking about it brings a smile to my face!
I'm looking forward to Palmer, although I know nothing of the course....
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It's clear that Nietzsche never got into bike racing.
true dat.

sometimes i think of this Nietzsche quote when I read some of the posts in Road Cycling:

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
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Ok, I missed my PR by 10s, and the hair is still on my legs. Rough day out there. I felt great though -- completely in control, ramped effort, dead at the top. I'd have had my PR with identical wind conditions (freaking hurricane blew me up the hill for my PR).

No idea how that climb could remove hair though. Maybe if I crashed all over?
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maybe if that hair was gone you would have had that record! SO CLOSE
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Ok, I missed my PR by 10s
I bet you would have broken it if you were riding a stiff, lightweight aluminum frame.


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sometimes i think of this Nietzsche quote when I read some of the posts in Road Cycling:

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
Brother I think you nailed it on the head. That explains alot that I've puzzeled over about BF
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Nice report! I'm doing my first team group ride this weekend. I'll come back and tell you how long it took me to get dropped. I'm gonna say 10 miles. I plan on blowing up =)
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where is this group ride, Greg? If its in western Mass I may show up sometime
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How close are you guys to say, the junction of Rte. 8 and Rte. 57?

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