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    I learned something today while riding

    In my ride today in heavy wind, ( 20+) I discovered a way of riding that helped in the cross wind. If I altered my possition to twist my shoulders and back towards the wind I seemed to get a push. I am not sure if the resulting speed was indeed from a push or the results of decreasing my drag profile or a combination.
    Has any one experienced this? Or is this a figment of my imagination?

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    I've heard there are ways to deal more effectively with headwinds and crosswinds but no idea what they are. If anyone knows, please enlighten us!

    Oh my 'freakin word, the wind was really bad yeterday. On a flat road near my house I was doing 27-30 mph in one direction...and no, my FTP isn't 350W+ like DrWJO. In the other direction, going 12-15 mph was work. That's how bad the wind was. lol.

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    Figment or not, every bike rider who reads this is gonna go "Note to self - try that next time I encounter a crosswind".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snicklefritz
    I've heard there are ways to deal more effectively with headwinds and crosswinds but no idea what they are. If anyone knows, please enlighten us!
    I hate headwinds, but I've found there are 2 sure fire ways of dealing with them, 1- swear and then peddle harder or 2 - stay in doors. .
    Seriously the way I deal with them is to try to reduce my frontal area, getting into a more of a TT position and just do more work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snicklefritz
    I've heard there are ways to deal more effectively with headwinds and crosswinds but no idea what they are. If anyone knows, please enlighten us!

    Oh my 'freakin word, the wind was really bad yeterday. On a flat road near my house I was doing 27-30 mph in one direction...and no, my FTP isn't 350W+ like DrWJO. In the other direction, going 12-15 mph was work. That's how bad the wind was. lol.
    Grin and bear it.

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    The only good thing about headwinds is they simulate hills in flat regions.I hate them more than hills though. Freddie Maertens a truly great racer, maybe the best sprinter ever,used to train in headwinds for that reason.Belgiam has no hills.Many great cyclists. Part of Belgiam has hills,Walonia,the French part NOT the Flemish regions though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old and new
    The only good thing about headwinds is they simulate hills in flat regions.I hate them more than hills though. Freddie Maertens a truly great racer, maybe the best sprinter ever,used to train in headwinds for that reason.Belgiam has no hills.Many great cyclists. Part of Belgiam has hills,Walonia,the French part NOT the Flemish regions though.
    Belgium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snicklefritz
    If anyone knows, please enlighten us!
    Ride downwind. Take the train home.

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    When I cycled in Kansas, I found that there were 3 types of wind - head, tail, & cross. You've just described the way we would ride in crosswinds.

    It seems to work but YMMV. Do I get a point for a bad pun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old and new
    The only good thing about headwinds is they simulate hills in flat regions.I hate them more than hills though. Freddie Maertens a truly great racer, maybe the best sprinter ever,used to train in headwinds for that reason.Belgiam has no hills.Many great cyclists. Part of Belgiam has hills,Walonia,the French part NOT the Flemish regions though.
    I'll bet the approx. 175 pro cyclists who did the rhonde last weekend would dispute this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old and new
    The only good thing about headwinds is they simulate hills in flat regions.I hate them more than hills though. Freddie Maertens a truly great racer, maybe the best sprinter ever,used to train in headwinds for that reason.Belgiam has no hills.Many great cyclists. Part of Belgiam has hills,Walonia,the French part NOT the Flemish regions though.
    We may not have big climbs but if you ride in the right locations you can find some that will break you off. It is spring now and the wind is in full speed. Trust me I know.

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    As Lil John says

    GET LOW!

    (riding with a crosswind is just as bad as a headwind)

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto
    Belgium.
    No, I'm pretty sure it's Belgiam. As in Belgiam waffles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mezza
    Figment or not, every bike rider who reads this is gonna go "Note to self - try that next time I encounter a crosswind".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamPlayers
    We may not have big climbs but if you ride in the right locations you can find some that will break you off. It is spring now and the wind is in full speed. Trust me I know.
    I can't remember the last time the wind wasn't 20mph with gusts to 30+ around these parts. Seriously.

    The bare soil in the fields isn't giving us the best protection from the wind at this point in the year.
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    I hate wind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf
    In my ride today in heavy wind, ( 20+) I discovered a way of riding that helped in the cross wind. If I altered my possition to twist my shoulders and back towards the wind I seemed to get a push. I am not sure if the resulting speed was indeed from a push or the results of decreasing my drag profile or a combination.
    Has any one experienced this? Or is this a figment of my imagination?

    Jamie
    It sounds like you had a wind that was slighty towards the rear or straight form the side. What you did is just like a sailboat trimming the sails to catch more wind. If you got your back more at a right angle to the wind you catch more wind. If the wind is fast enough of course it will give you a push. You are a sail.

    If the wind is straight sideways and your back directs the wind back at an angle it can push you forward.
    Anyone owning a sailboat would think this is not complicated. One time I had a tailwind from off my rear quarter and I had on my windbreaker, unzipped. I sat up held the jacket open with both hands and it helped a little, when I twisted my body and got the "sails" (jacket) to the right angle my jacket caught a lot of wind and I accelerated for almost a block.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf
    In my ride today in heavy wind, ( 20+) I discovered a way of riding that helped in the cross wind. If I altered my possition to twist my shoulders and back towards the wind I seemed to get a push. I am not sure if the resulting speed was indeed from a push or the results of decreasing my drag profile or a combination.
    Has any one experienced this? Or is this a figment of my imagination?

    Jamie

    ..I've actually done this and it has helped, but I think in my case it was more an effect of sloping the force such that it pushes me down rather than at whatever angle accross my path. Because that angle changes so often, with the road and various gusts, I doubt there is a catch all solution. But most of all, from my experience, it just became a bit uncomfortable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manybikes
    It sounds like you had a wind that was slighty towards the rear or straight form the side. What you did is just like a sailboat trimming the sails to catch more wind. If you got your back more at a right angle to the wind you catch more wind. If the wind is fast enough of course it will give you a push. You are a sail.

    If the wind is straight sideways and your back directs the wind back at an angle it can push you forward.
    Anyone owning a sailboat would think this is not complicated. One time I had a tailwind from off my rear quarter and I had on my windbreaker, unzipped. I sat up held the jacket open with both hands and it helped a little, when I twisted my body and got the "sails" (jacket) to the right angle my jacket caught a lot of wind and I accelerated for almost a block.
    ...nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by slim_77
    ...nice
    It was last year. Still waiting for another situation like that. Started about 15 mph, got to about 17 before I had to stop for the next intersection. It was awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimbo
    No, I'm pretty sure it's Belgiam. As in Belgiam waffles.

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    Belgian ***not Belgiam*** is the adjective for the country, but it's name is Belgium.

    So... Belgian Waffles are from Belgium

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    Quote Originally Posted by vantassell
    Belgian ***not Belgiam*** is the adjective for the country, but it's name is Belgium.

    So... Belgian Waffles are from Belgium

    I've seen it written both ways.
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    I was on Wikipedia for something else and had to look up waffles. MMmmmm.

    "The Belgian Waffle was introduced into North America during the 1964 New York World's Fair by the Belgian Maurice Vermersch[citation needed]. Since most Americans didn't know where Brussels actually was, he marketed traditional "Brussels Waffles" as "Belgian Waffles".
    Waffles in Flanders are often associated with the Flemish comic strip Nero by Marc Sleen. The characters enjoy a waffle feast ("wafelenbak") at the end of nearly each adventure."-Trivia, Wikipedia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf
    Or is this a figment of my imagination?

    Jamie
    Correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Cyril
    I've seen it written both ways.
    one is correct, the other is not.

    "Belgiam" is a typo or a spelling error.

    Belgium is correct, Belgiam is incorrect.

    Belgian is correct, Belgiam is incorrect.
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