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    Basso says he never doped. He simply "prepared" to dope.

    http://www.canada.com/topics/sports/...15b0b2&k=74769

    I have admitted attempted doping only. I've never taken any doping substance nor undergone any illegal blood transfusions.
    Basso said he made contact with Dr. Fuentes, and gave him a blood sample with the intention of doping - but never actually did.

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    Doping is dope.

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    So he didn't inhale?

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    How many pair of those red stripe shorts do you figure Richard Simmons owns?

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    i'll buy that for a dollar. woo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grebletie
    So he didn't inhale?
    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grebletie
    So he didn't inhale?
    No he didn't exhale! No wait, that was Pres. Clinton... my bad!
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    He should quit while he's ahead. Talking about something too much can turn people against you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress
    Talking about something too much can turn people against you.
    LOL.

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    Of course they can't prove Basso wrong on this (he never failed a test) but it looks pretty weak to be claiming at this point. But my question is: if the blood is his yet is shown to have nothing illegal in it, can they actually charge him with anything? They have no evidence he actually used the blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donrhummy
    Of course they can't prove Basso wrong on this (he never failed a test) but it looks pretty weak to be claiming at this point. But my question is: if the blood is his yet is shown to have nothing illegal in it, can they actually charge him with anything? They have no evidence he actually used the blood.
    Well, attempted doping is still against the rules, however, I believe you are right about the doping charge. Unfortunately, it seems there is simply no hard evidence that can prove he was doping, although in my opinion the paper trail going back to 2004 makes it highly, highly likely.

    Anyway, what more can the authorities do than give him a two year ban at this point?

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    You know what you do not hear right now? The sound of all those people who claimed that Basso was clean, and that most riders do not dope, blah, blah, blah.....

    I hope the dose of reality may alter their world view a little bit (granted - it is hoping a bit too much).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no
    i'll buy that for a dollar. woo.

    is that Dr. Z?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donrhummy
    Of course they can't prove Basso wrong on this (he never failed a test) but it looks pretty weak to be claiming at this point. But my question is: if the blood is his yet is shown to have nothing illegal in it, can they actually charge him with anything? They have no evidence he actually used the blood.
    Depends on the other paperwork. If all they have is bags of clean blood, they can definitely hit him for a 2 year ban for transfusions anyway (which are against the rules). If they have a paper trail that shows he was a regular customer for several years, in theory they could ban him for life (as that would indicate multiple violations).

    Personally I'm slightly disgusted by Basso's "admission," although I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It may actually be the truth, of course, but if so it's awfully convenient. Seems much more likely that he's trying to get a 2 year ban without ratting out the peloton and/or losing his titles/wins.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye
    what more can the authorities do than give him a two year ban at this point?
    Depends on what evidence they actually have. They've made the link, so now they can (in theory) go through all of Fuentes' records and see what they have listed for "Birillo" and whatever other nicknames they had for him.

    If they can prove multiple violations, then can probably ban him for life.

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    Is his admission sufficient (by actual UCI rules, not by Internet Discussion Forum Standards) to constitute a doping violation? Or do they still have to proceed with an action against him and prove it?

    I'm thinking, he cops to this, takes the 2 year ban, it avoids them digging up a whole bunch of other skeletons (for him and the rest of the ProTour peloton).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 'nother
    Is his admission sufficient (by actual UCI rules, not by Internet Discussion Forum Standards) to constitute a doping violation? Or do they still have to proceed with an action against him and prove it?
    The offense is sufficent to qualify as a violation. Presumably, CONI will have a hearing, Basso will plead guilty, and he will get a 2 year ban.


    I'm thinking, he cops to this, takes the 2 year ban, it avoids them digging up a whole bunch of other skeletons (for him and the rest of the ProTour peloton).
    It's a nice theory, but unfortunately there may be as much as 6,000 pages of evidence on 100 riders (and other athletes) coming out from OP. CONI may be obligated to do another hearing if further OP evidence shows Basso doped prior to summer 2006, or the organizers of the Giro may decide, of their own accord, to revoke his win.

    At this point, the public has seen very little of the evidence, and McQuaid indicated it could take them a year to go through it all....

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    yeah an rev ted haggard bought meth and didn't use it, sure....

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    Did you see how much money he gave the Dr.?
    From '04, for what?
    Just freeze a bag of blood....I could have done that.
    What I could have not done is clean his blood so that they could not find drugs....
    These guys are so stupid it is disgusting.

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    After watching the 2006 Giro, I don't believe him... but hey that's just my opnion!

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    He's been so honest, cooperative, and forthcoming so far, why would anyone doubt his latest statements?

    On Monday I was willing to give him credit for doing the stand up thing and admitting the apparent error of his ways. Now it seems like he's just being a weasel and trying to be more slippery than Bill Clinton in a teflon suit.
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    I don't entirely agree with what Basso has done, especially this last little two-step about "preparing to dope" but not actually doping. On the other hand, I admire his confessing to an association with Fuentes. Moreover, I am repelled by the way in which the UCI has chosen to vilify Basso and Ullrich without similarly pursuing Fuentes' other patrons. It feels like scapegoating to me. At this point, it almost seems like the only judicious move would be to immediately cease all pro tour races, perhaps the whole season. Settle everything and then begin anew in 2008. Sadly I think these shadows are going to linger over the Giro, Tour and Vuelta. It will be a bittersweet season to be sure.

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    Hey wait a minute...has anyone confirmed that he actually said "prepared to dope" and not "prepared to drope"? At least the latter would make some sense, applying BF Wisdom anyway.
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    The will to dope is not nearly as important as the will to prepare to dope.
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    At this point, the public has seen very little of the evidence, and McQuaid indicated it could take them a year to go through it all....
    Haven't they already had a year? Whether all of the riders are guilty or not, IMO the way this whole thing has been handled is doing undue damage to the sport.

    -D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stallionforce
    On the other hand, I admire his confessing to an association with Fuentes.
    I disagree. Basso gave the authorities nothing they wouldn't have had with a simple blood test, and he knew it. I think he's trying to be slippery as a snake, and it turns my stomach.

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