Sponsorship money drying up
#1
pan y agua
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,297
Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1442 Post(s)
Liked 711 Times
in
365 Posts
Sponsorship money drying up
Article in the New York Times today about Sponsors pulling out of bicycle racing. Essentially the article says that sponsors are skiddish due to the drug issue, most notably Landis' ongoing troubles, as well as the drop in television coverage world wide, and a drop in attendence. The article gives an example of a european one day race (forget which one) with a 77% drop in attendence this year.
Also the Zurich championship was apparently hit hard because Landis was on a Swiss Team. This is a race that had been run for almost 100 years, including through WW II.
If Professional cycling doesn't clean up the circus, things could be dark for awhile.
Also the Zurich championship was apparently hit hard because Landis was on a Swiss Team. This is a race that had been run for almost 100 years, including through WW II.
If Professional cycling doesn't clean up the circus, things could be dark for awhile.
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: In the middle of horse country, in The Garden State
Posts: 3,159
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Where's that photo that someone posted ages ago showing Landis and Tyler photoshopped into a famous painting where one is behind the counter and the other sitting on a barstool?
#3
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 1,960
Bikes: Cannondale R700 (2005)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Can you please link to the article. I cannot find it on the NY Times Website and I have a TimesSelect membership.
#4
Peloton Shelter Dog
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/11/bu...=1&oref=slogin
Duh. That did the complete IDIOTS in the UCI think was gonna happen???
Absolutely unfathomable. And all you morons pontificating about moral rectitude in cycling can turn out the friggin lights when you leave the room. It's a BUSINESS you pinheads.
But perhaps not now. Now it's becoming a footnote to the ashbin of history. All so DocRay can scream 'They're ALL DOPING!!!!'.
Duh. That did the complete IDIOTS in the UCI think was gonna happen???
Absolutely unfathomable. And all you morons pontificating about moral rectitude in cycling can turn out the friggin lights when you leave the room. It's a BUSINESS you pinheads.
But perhaps not now. Now it's becoming a footnote to the ashbin of history. All so DocRay can scream 'They're ALL DOPING!!!!'.
#5
Peloton Shelter Dog
>>A public supporter of Mr. Landis, Mr. Eustice says that the real issue scaring sponsors is that the sport of cycling does not manage its public travails well.
“I think the problem is not so much doping,” Mr. Eustice said. “It’s the fact that the people who run cycling let it turn into such a circus. I think cycling is courageous to fight in a clumsy way, but they seem like a sport that no one controls.<<
Correct.
“I think the problem is not so much doping,” Mr. Eustice said. “It’s the fact that the people who run cycling let it turn into such a circus. I think cycling is courageous to fight in a clumsy way, but they seem like a sport that no one controls.<<
Correct.
#6
Guest
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Right. Blame the UCI because riders cheat. I really like to watch super riders take off with 8-10 minutes over everyone else for the sake of business.
Cycling has its ups and downs, always has. It thrived before and during doping, it will long after.
I'm in Italy right now, and I can't even figure out how to get close to the first two stages of the Giro because of the crowds and police blocks. Tour or Flanders had 1,000,000 viewers, Paris-Roubaix had close to that, TDF will still have 1 billion viewers without the super yanks. It's like Indy or Superbowl, except a month long.
These races have been around over 100 years.
Perhaps a certain Lance chamois-sniffing Cat 4 should focus his advice on the great American tours, none of which can seem to keep running more than a few years.
Perhaps Pro cycling should adopt the Us pro-business model of NASCAR? ride around in tiny circles, slow down the field and create false competition for the sake of entertainment and business? Small wonder there is no interest in US business-driven sports outside of the US.
Seriously, no one gives a **** about the US viewing market, they never needed it, they never will.
You don't get it Lancerbator, you never will.
Cycling has its ups and downs, always has. It thrived before and during doping, it will long after.
I'm in Italy right now, and I can't even figure out how to get close to the first two stages of the Giro because of the crowds and police blocks. Tour or Flanders had 1,000,000 viewers, Paris-Roubaix had close to that, TDF will still have 1 billion viewers without the super yanks. It's like Indy or Superbowl, except a month long.
These races have been around over 100 years.
Perhaps a certain Lance chamois-sniffing Cat 4 should focus his advice on the great American tours, none of which can seem to keep running more than a few years.
Perhaps Pro cycling should adopt the Us pro-business model of NASCAR? ride around in tiny circles, slow down the field and create false competition for the sake of entertainment and business? Small wonder there is no interest in US business-driven sports outside of the US.
Seriously, no one gives a **** about the US viewing market, they never needed it, they never will.
You don't get it Lancerbator, you never will.
#7
.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 40,375
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times
in
12 Posts
Originally Posted by Snicklefritz
Where's that photo that someone posted ages ago showing Landis and Tyler photoshopped into a famous painting where one is behind the counter and the other sitting on a barstool?
#8
Peloton Shelter Dog
Originally Posted by DocRay
Right. Blame the UCI because riders cheat. I really like to watch super riders take off with 8-10 minutes over everyone else for the sake of business.
Cycling has its ups and downs, always has. It thrived before and during doping, it will long after.
I'm in Italy right now, and I can't even figure out how to get close to the first two stages of the Giro because of the crowds and police blocks. Tour or Flanders had 1,000,000 viewers, Paris-Roubaix had close to that, TDF will still have 1 billion viewers without the super yanks. It's like Indy or Superbowl, except a month long.
These races have been around over 100 years.
Perhaps a certain Lance chamois-sniffing Cat 4 should focus his advice on the great American tours, none of which can seem to keep running more than a few years.
Perhaps Pro cycling should adopt the Us pro-business model of NASCAR? ride around in tiny circles, slow down the field and create false competition for the sake of entertainment and business? Small wonder there is no interest in US business-driven sports outside of the US.
Seriously, no one gives a **** about the US viewing market, they never needed it, they never will.
You don't get it Lancerbator, you never will.
Cycling has its ups and downs, always has. It thrived before and during doping, it will long after.
I'm in Italy right now, and I can't even figure out how to get close to the first two stages of the Giro because of the crowds and police blocks. Tour or Flanders had 1,000,000 viewers, Paris-Roubaix had close to that, TDF will still have 1 billion viewers without the super yanks. It's like Indy or Superbowl, except a month long.
These races have been around over 100 years.
Perhaps a certain Lance chamois-sniffing Cat 4 should focus his advice on the great American tours, none of which can seem to keep running more than a few years.
Perhaps Pro cycling should adopt the Us pro-business model of NASCAR? ride around in tiny circles, slow down the field and create false competition for the sake of entertainment and business? Small wonder there is no interest in US business-driven sports outside of the US.
Seriously, no one gives a **** about the US viewing market, they never needed it, they never will.
You don't get it Lancerbator, you never will.
The obllivion demonstrated by your posts is utterly cosmic.
I would change my user name to 'Dude Ray'. Dude. And by all means, get us some of what you're smoking. They don't give us urine tests in the USCF races around here.
#9
Peloton Shelter Dog
Hey Dude Ray, why do you hate America so much? You are one nasty Canuck.
Last edited by patentcad; 05-11-07 at 01:18 PM.
#10
pan y agua
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,297
Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1442 Post(s)
Liked 711 Times
in
365 Posts
Originally Posted by DocRay
Right. Blame the UCI because riders cheat. I really like to watch super riders take off with 8-10 minutes over everyone else for the sake of business.
Cycling has its ups and downs, always has. It thrived before and during doping, it will long after.
I'm in Italy right now, and I can't even figure out how to get close to the first two stages of the Giro because of the crowds and police blocks. Tour or Flanders had 1,000,000 viewers, Paris-Roubaix had close to that, TDF will still have 1 billion viewers without the super yanks. It's like Indy or Superbowl, except a month long.
These races have been around over 100 years.
Perhaps a certain Lance chamois-sniffing Cat 4 should focus his advice on the great American tours, none of which can seem to keep running more than a few years.
Perhaps Pro cycling should adopt the Us pro-business model of NASCAR? ride around in tiny circles, slow down the field and create false competition for the sake of entertainment and business? Small wonder there is no interest in US business-driven sports outside of the US.
Seriously, no one gives a **** about the US viewing market, they never needed it, they never will.
You don't get it Lancerbator, you never will.
Cycling has its ups and downs, always has. It thrived before and during doping, it will long after.
I'm in Italy right now, and I can't even figure out how to get close to the first two stages of the Giro because of the crowds and police blocks. Tour or Flanders had 1,000,000 viewers, Paris-Roubaix had close to that, TDF will still have 1 billion viewers without the super yanks. It's like Indy or Superbowl, except a month long.
These races have been around over 100 years.
Perhaps a certain Lance chamois-sniffing Cat 4 should focus his advice on the great American tours, none of which can seem to keep running more than a few years.
Perhaps Pro cycling should adopt the Us pro-business model of NASCAR? ride around in tiny circles, slow down the field and create false competition for the sake of entertainment and business? Small wonder there is no interest in US business-driven sports outside of the US.
Seriously, no one gives a **** about the US viewing market, they never needed it, they never will.
You don't get it Lancerbator, you never will.
Rhonde Van Vlaanderen in Belgium, attendence off 91%, as well as attendence being off in other european races;
The almost 100 year old Championship of Zurich dead;
World wide television coverage down 40%;
Spain and Italy dropping live TV coverage of races.
This is not just an American problem.
And of course cycling will survive, but it's at risk of doing so with less money and less exposure for some time to come if they don't get their act together.
#11
.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 40,375
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times
in
12 Posts
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Read the Article. The World wide audience is slumping:
Rhonde Van Vlaanderen in Belgium, attendence off 91%, as well as attendence being off in other european races;
The almost 100 year old Championship of Zurich dead;
World wide television coverage down 40%;
Spain and Italy dropping live TV coverage of races.
This is not just an American problem.
And of course cycling will survive, but it's at risk of doing so with less money and less exposure for some time to come if they don't get their act together.
Rhonde Van Vlaanderen in Belgium, attendence off 91%, as well as attendence being off in other european races;
The almost 100 year old Championship of Zurich dead;
World wide television coverage down 40%;
Spain and Italy dropping live TV coverage of races.
This is not just an American problem.
And of course cycling will survive, but it's at risk of doing so with less money and less exposure for some time to come if they don't get their act together.
if it was lower, that could easily be explained by the fact that it was on Easter sunday, and the weather was amazing, so people did something else. regardless, a 90% drop doesn't sound right. they had 15,000 people ride the tourist version of the ronde this year, an all time high.
#12
Banned.
Join Date: May 2006
Location: ATX, Ex So Cal
Posts: 11,058
Bikes: Ridley Noah-Scott Addict-Orbea Ordu
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by DocRay
Right. Blame the UCI because riders cheat. I really like to watch super riders take off with 8-10 minutes over everyone else for the sake of business.
#13
pan y agua
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,297
Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1442 Post(s)
Liked 711 Times
in
365 Posts
Originally Posted by botto
i find it VERY hard to believe that the Ronde (no h) lost that many viewers. I'll ask a friend who was there, and has been to many editions over the years.
if it was lower, that could easily be explained by the fact that it was on Easter sunday, and the weather was amazing, so people did something else. regardless, a 90% drop doesn't sound right. they had 15,000 people ride the tourist version of the ronde this year, an all time high.
if it was lower, that could easily be explained by the fact that it was on Easter sunday, and the weather was amazing, so people did something else. regardless, a 90% drop doesn't sound right. they had 15,000 people ride the tourist version of the ronde this year, an all time high.
#14
Peloton Shelter Dog
Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
I do blame the UCI and WADA to a great extent. The poor handling of the drug issue is as much to blame for all of this as the cheats. If you think that the governing bodies are doing a good job and handling this properly then you are on some drugs yourself.
#15
antisocialite
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,385
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by DocRay
These races have been around over 100 years.
i'm not sure what can or should be done to "clean up" cycling. but the notion that there was a time when no one doped is naive. it just wasn't considered cheating at the time.
#16
64 49' N
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 367
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by DocRay
Seriously, no one gives a **** about the US viewing market, they never needed it, they never will.
#17
Peloton Shelter Dog
Originally Posted by Ernesto Schwein
Yeah, there is some real Canadian business wisdom, ignore US markets.
#18
64 49' N
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 367
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by patentcad
Yeah, there is some real Canadian business wisdom, ignore US markets.
Is this an oxymoron?
Is this an oxymoron?
#19
Infamous Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 24,360
Bikes: Surly Big Dummy, Fuji World, 80ish Bianchi
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
3 Posts
Oh my. You best go back to the T&P avatar, DocRay, it's starting to sound like that whole invade Canada thing is rearing its ugly head again!
__________________
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
#20
pan y agua
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,297
Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1442 Post(s)
Liked 711 Times
in
365 Posts
Originally Posted by dirtyphotons
performance enhancing drugs, in some form, have been around much longer than that. and they were an open part of early competitive cycling.
i'm not sure what can or should be done to "clean up" cycling. but the notion that there was a time when no one doped is naive. it just wasn't considered cheating at the time.
i'm not sure what can or should be done to "clean up" cycling. but the notion that there was a time when no one doped is naive. it just wasn't considered cheating at the time.
Racing against a field laced with EPO would be an entirely different story.
#21
Making a kilometer blurry
Meh, it doesn't really matter to me if sponsors pull out. If there is less money in the sport, then there will be less reason to use drugs to do well in it. It's not like the major races are going away, and I couldn't care less who actually races in them.
#22
pan y agua
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,297
Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1442 Post(s)
Liked 711 Times
in
365 Posts
Originally Posted by waterrockets
Meh, it doesn't really matter to me if sponsors pull out. If there is less money in the sport, then there will be less reason to use drugs to do well in it. It's not like the major races are going away, and I couldn't care less who actually races in them.
#23
Peloton Shelter Dog
Why would anybody invade Canada?
#24
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,840
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Read the Article. The World wide audience is slumping:
Rhonde Van Vlaanderen in Belgium, attendence off 91%, as well as attendence being off in other european races;
The almost 100 year old Championship of Zurich dead;
World wide television coverage down 40%;
Spain and Italy dropping live TV coverage of races.
This is not just an American problem.
And of course cycling will survive, but it's at risk of doing so with less money and less exposure for some time to come if they don't get their act together.
Rhonde Van Vlaanderen in Belgium, attendence off 91%, as well as attendence being off in other european races;
The almost 100 year old Championship of Zurich dead;
World wide television coverage down 40%;
Spain and Italy dropping live TV coverage of races.
This is not just an American problem.
And of course cycling will survive, but it's at risk of doing so with less money and less exposure for some time to come if they don't get their act together.
#25
Infamous Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 24,360
Bikes: Surly Big Dummy, Fuji World, 80ish Bianchi
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
3 Posts
Originally Posted by patentcad
Why would anybody invade Canada?
__________________
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey