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    Tell me about Bettini - AKA Cricket

    The world champ seems to be in the mix for stage wins in just about every type of race. He doesn't fit the sprinter mold, but almost won a Giro sprint stage. As a hard man, he also is in the mix on one day races even though he's darn small.

    His thighs are like tree trunks, and he's tiny, so why isn't he a grand tour GC contender? No TT ability?

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    No TT ability?
    correct, or more specifically: no TT mindset.


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    haha...breaking out the ol Pascal Richard Northwave ad!

    Bettini...cries (literally) after every race...win or lose.

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    ?
    this Richard look?


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    He is a fantastic bike handler and tactician. His road skills are incredible and he is driven by the fight. Some guys have the ability to race in big pelotons and then others are more like Zabriskie and have tons of horsepower, but don't have the winning instinct, except in time trials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto
    correct, or more specifically: no TT mindset.


    Awesome. Seems if he could develop some TT ability, he could easily win a Vuelta or Giro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedalMasher
    Awesome. Seems if he could develop some TT ability, he could easily win a Vuelta or Giro.
    incorrect.

    his engine isn't big enough.

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    He should scan e-bay for a bigger powerdial.
    Is trick from science!

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    I love this guy after watching last years classics. He is like a tiny Vino. Always very animated also.

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    He probably has one of the highest sprint power to weight ratios of anyone in cycling.

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    He can read a race better than just about anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marqueemoon
    He can read a race better than just about anyone.
    Alrighty then, but... How does he do in the longer stage races and back-to-back climbing days?

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    not that well.. climbs arent his forte
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    Hmmm, his engine isn't big enough?

    Bettini probably races more races during the year than 90% of the pros. During his prime, he was one of the top five road sprinters in the world. He can climb quite well thank you, but doesn't do well in high mountains. That could be said of many top riders though. He's certainly as good in the mountains as Zabel or Freire, two of the better climbing sprinters. With respect to his time trialing, riders who aren't in contention in the Grand Tours will often ride the time trials at "85%" to conserve energy for later stages. So it is not surprising that he doesn't show well in time trials or concentrate on them. I don't think anyone on this forum knows anything about Bettini's mindset. If his results tell us anything, they say anything he put his mind to, he could probably do quite well at. I think he concentrates on his obvious strengths, instead of compromising his natural strengths in an attempt to be a Grand Tour rider.

    He's won the Points Competition in the Giro, twice. The World Cup, the Olympic Road Race, the World Championships, and more classics than I care to recount. 62 victories as a pro. Yea, I'd say his engine is pretty big.
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    He is also a hard core doper. He is one of the major opponents for the use of DNA in cycling and for more testing. He is a hard core a-hole, as it is attitudes like this bringing this sport down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny
    Hmmm, his engine isn't big enough?

    Bettini probably races more races during the year than 90% of the pros. During his prime, he was one of the top five road sprinters in the world. He can climb quite well thank you, but doesn't do well in high mountains. That could be said of many top riders though. He's certainly as good in the mountains as Zabel or Freire, two of the better climbing sprinters. Riders who aren't in contention in the Grand Tours will often ride the time trials at "85%" to conserve energy for later stages. So it is not surprising that he doesn't show well in time trials or concentrate on them.

    He's won the Points Competition in the Giro, twice. The World Cup, the Olympic Road Race, and more classics than I care to recount. 62 victories as a pro. I'd say his engine is pretty big.
    Certainly enough to make Pettachi his bi*ch.
    I feel like a soiled kleenex dropped in the gutter in the red-light district of Paris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker
    open my pie hole, say something stupid
    Your zipper is down and the whole world can see how small you are.

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    Bettini said so himself in an issue of Procycling: "I found out early on that I would never win the Tour de France." He then goes on to say that if he couldn't win the biggest race then he would win the biggest one day classics. He basically says that his body cannot recover quick enough between stages giving him a poor chance to contest Grand Tours. His engine may be big but he wouldn't be able to arrive at the final TT of a GT with good legs.

    Jonathan Vaughters said that he felt he reached his peak because he knew how bad his body felt compared to others over the same days of consecutive racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny
    Hmmm, his engine isn't big enough?:roflmao:

    Bettini probably races more races during the year than 90% of the pros. During his prime, he was one of the top five road sprinters in the world. He can climb quite well thank you, but doesn't do well in high mountains. That could be said of many top riders though. He's certainly as good in the mountains as Zabel or Freire, two of the better climbing sprinters. With respect to his time trialing, riders who aren't in contention in the Grand Tours will often ride the time trials at "85%" to conserve energy for later stages. So it is not surprising that he doesn't show well in time trials or concentrate on them. I don't think anyone on this forum knows anything about Bettini's mindset. If his results tell us anything, they say anything he put his mind to, he could probably do quite well at. I think he concentrates on his obvious strengths, instead of compromising his natural strengths in an attempt to be a Grand Tour rider.

    He's won the Points Competition in the Giro, twice. The World Cup, the Olympic Road Race, the World Championships, and more classics than I care to recount. 62 victories as a pro. Yea, I'd say his engine is pretty big.
    correct, it's not big enough to win a GT.

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    Bettini=Jules

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    There is a big gap between winning the points contest/being a great sprinter and a GC contender. The cricket can put out massive power for a short period but not prolonged effort, at least to the degree of the main GC guys, his right toe puts out more watts than me. He dosen't have the engine to drop everyone on a long climb or big solo break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny
    I am in love with Pro Riders. I cannot poosiblt imagine that they would ever cheat or possibly break my heart. They are all the best human beings and truly great indivuduals. I mean, I love the fact that people like Basso, Hamilton, Landis, and Ullrich are clean riders who never once lied to the public. Why is this? Because Pro cyclists cannot lie. I hope one day to meet them and get their signature. I have posters of Ullrich's Guads in my room, just to help me go to sleep. I love them all. Bettini does not want DNA testing because he is clean you see. Just like innocent people do not want DNA testing in trials or to take lie detectors, because they are innocent.

    Real quick question to the posters of the board. I need the definition for the word NAIVE, anyone?


    You sure are smart Skinny!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker
    You sure are smart Skinny!!!
    It's not obvious to me whether the quote you attribute to skinny is supposed to be about him or in fact describes you. In any event, do you have any actual evidence specific to Bettini to support your belief that he is doping? I suspect everyone myself, but I think accusations should rest on evidence rather than suspicion.

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    Bettini has a fantastic racing mind.. I think he has the mind of Eddie Merckx. His tactics and his intuition are incredible.. he doesnt posses the TT mind set nor does he seem to care that much.. It almost like its the race going on right in front of him is all he cares about,... and nothing else.. no though of his placment, gc.. or his team... or anything..
    I think he is what makes bike racing such a great sport.. for enthusiasts.. you have to sort of know whats going on to appreciate it.. but when you realize how hard it is to race the way he does.. like he doesnt need teammates. .. like he is possesed... I think he is one of the most exciting racers today.. He races the way Sean Kkelly did..

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    Having seen him TT away to win Zuri-Metzege, I think he has the necessary abilities in a road race situation, but a TT in a stage race just doesn't suit him all that well.

    There is obviously a massive difference between breaking off solo with 30km to go in a 200km race, and starting off alone against the clock on a 30km TT. Accumulated fatigue combined with goals for the overall points standings might affect that in a GT situation.
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