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Old 05-15-07, 09:56 AM   #1
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Who uses a camelbak under your jersey instead of bottles for TTs?

Bobby Julich-style?
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Old 05-15-07, 02:47 PM   #2
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I was wondering about this but I thought they discontinued their racing camelbak?

I got an Arundel bottle instead and it does the trick, although (as I found out in a TT) you really have to seat it well when replacing it (hear a click) or it will pop out almost immediately!
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Old 05-15-07, 03:24 PM   #3
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Bobby Julich-style?

Hmm, any pics?
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Old 05-15-07, 03:29 PM   #4
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Maybe there's a use after all for that 1st-generation Camelback I got in my MTB days 13 years ago...
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Old 05-15-07, 04:15 PM   #5
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My coach wears hers on 40K's says it makes her back line more aero.
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Old 05-15-07, 05:03 PM   #6
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I'd do it if I were racing TTs, but then I'm used to a Camelbak (use one on long summer rides).
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Old 05-15-07, 11:55 PM   #7
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Maybe there's a use after all for that 1st-generation Camelback I got in my MTB days 13 years ago...
I remember doing this in '93. I just put the Camelback bladder under my skinsuit for our Provincial TT championships. It didn't move at all and worked great for allowing me to drink at will. Like Stallionforce, I now use an Arundel, as well.

BTW, good ride at Warp Speed Stallionforce--I recognized the bike as it is very similar to mine. The crosswinds were a lot stronger than I thought they would be. I managed to pull out a win in the 5's though--by 5 minutes! Good for the ego, I guess.
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I remember doing this in '93. I just put the Camelback bladder under my skinsuit for our Provincial TT championships. It didn't move at all and worked great for allowing me to drink at will. Like Stallionforce, I now use an Arundel, as well.

BTW, good ride at Warp Speed Stallionforce--I recognized the bike as it is very similar to mine. The crosswinds were a lot stronger than I thought they would be. I managed to pull out a win in the 5's though--by 5 minutes! Good for the ego, I guess.
Hey thanks Nagedzi! Your time for the 5's is awesome! Congrats. Are you going to upgrade soon?

Yeah, I'd never ridden in a crosswind before -- not like that. I found my Hed disk gave me a bit of a push on the return leg which helped a bit. My speedo was not working, though, which was frustrating.

Tonight I managed to crash in my club TT -- my front went soft and I didn't notice, and went through a corner, bam! Crashing in a TT, so embarrassing. Such a perfect night, too -- no wind, and super warm for this time of year.

Next time I will look out for your P2. And come up and say hi!
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I put my Camelbak under my skinsuit and it worked fine. THe only thing I did differently is I put an Underarmor shirt on first so the CamelBak didn't irritate my skin nor it's straps. I took the hose and ran under my TT suit behind my right arm along my tricep. THe end of the hose hung down about 2 to 3" past my elbow. All I had to do was reach over and put the hose in my mouth while still in the aero position. It worked great. This was a 40k TT by the way in south Louisiana - so it is plenty hot and you will have to drink a lot. I got 1st BTW with my team-mate.

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Stallionforce, I guess the possibility of crashing is why we wear protective helmets when we race, even in TT's, eh? A time trial is the last place you would expect to crash.

Next major purchase for me is a disc, too. What do you think of the Hed disc, in particular?

You should come up and do the stage race here in the Comox Valley June 23-24. We'll have a 16km TT on the Saturday. Should be good. Also, we have a short Masters TT and a road race the week before.
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Stallionforce, I guess the possibility of crashing is why we wear protective helmets when we race, even in TT's, eh? A time trial is the last place you would expect to crash.

Next major purchase for me is a disc, too. What do you think of the Hed disc, in particular?

You should come up and do the stage race here in the Comox Valley June 23-24. We'll have a 16km TT on the Saturday. Should be good. Also, we have a short Masters TT and a road race the week before.
I'm definitely coming up for your 40km TT in August (I believe). I have a few requests out for a drive up for that stage race. I'd love to do it.

As for the Hed disk, I really like mine. It is really heavy. I was sort of thinking it wasn't worth it at the Race the Ridge TT as it is so hilly. I have seen tests where Hed claims it is more aero than a Zipp disk. I am dubious about that. I think as far as bang for the buck, Hed is really good. I know some local guys who really like the Renn disk as well (which I also think is affordable).

Put it this way, if I had the dough, I'd probably go with a Zipp. But the Hed is super fast too.
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Interesting,, "road guys" have laughed at me for having a notion to use a Camel Back,even at stores.
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Old 05-18-07, 08:18 AM   #13
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a well placed bottle like the bontrager or arundel(very low on the frame, may even have to drill new holes) is more efficient than the camelback under the skinsuit. This is provided you can reach and return the bottle easily. the camelback adds a couple inches to your back and makes it tough to have a flat back, also you have a hose sticking out. For most of us that dont have the most optimized aero position and helmets dont run even with our backs this isnt really an issue but look at this guy.
very flat TT position

Stallionforce's rig is a good example. the bottle is low enough to make a farning from the down tube to the seat tube. Instead of costing you aero like the camelback it is helping.

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Hey thanks jrennie! I believe nagedzi did the same. All I had to do was re-drill the Arundel cage -- not so difficult.

The trickier bit, as you mentioned, is drinking effectively with one hand on the aerobar. Not so easy. What I usually do is at the turnaround, get out of the bars a bit early and take a drink.
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Old 05-18-07, 05:00 PM   #15
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Another option people here might not have encountered is the "Never Reach" system. I don't have a sturdy enough ego to use the thing, but I know guys that have, and rave about it.

http://www.neverreach.com/page/page/281090.htm
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I did the same to mine but it is on the seat tube because I could make more of a air foil than on the down tube. As for the never reach, I have never seen a wind tunnel test on it but can only guess it would suck(not going to belive the mfg. site claims).
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