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    The "BF Virgin Crit Racer Training Program" update:

    OK...just back from a session after reading your advice about cornering in my earlier thread.
    Here's what I tried today:

    After doing seven, one-minute intervals, I rode back to find a place where there was a 4-way stop and no traffic.

    I proceeded to do laps, making right turns at speed as my practice.
    I did the first few at 20 mph on the hoods. After that I did a batch of laps in the drops doing 21's. I used the sweep method.

    I approach out wide enough that I am just into the opposite direction lane of traffic, then sweep into the turn hitting the apex and sweeping out as wide as I came in just about....accelerating out of the turn.

    The scariest part for me is actually while I am still going straight and setting up for the turn. It seems like it's all happening very fast and there's no turning back. Yet while executing the turn, I feel fine. It was good to feel how the bike reacts and to see what it's like going that fast around a corner.

    I guess now it would be good to practice this further...do some left turns too...and then maybe find someone who would ride with me to practice this alongside, so I get the feel of not only doing it, but doing it with others around me, huh?
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    Hip

    Just remember to shift back in the saddle and think of England.

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    Shift back in the saddle?
    Explain please....
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    This is about as good of explanation as there is:

    http://synergycycling.com/coach.php/?page_id=13

    Essentially, by shifting your weight back you're lowering your upper body, thus lowering your center of gravity. Or at least that's how it was explained to me.

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    Once you go through a couple turns in the crit, you'll have it figured out. Just stay smooth and supple, and follow the line of the rider in front of you. If you have to make adjustments, make them gradually so you don't wobble around.

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    Just "hold your line" in the race. You will find that the other racers in the low cats are going really slow through tight corners. Sweeping wide through the corners is OK if you're up front, but no good if you're in the middle of the pack, in my very limited experience.
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    ^^^ on the contrary... in lower-cat races there is much ground to be gained in a tight corner by going out wide while everyone else is trying to dive-bomb the turn.
    "Unless he was racing there was no way he could match my speed."

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    ....if up front or close to it, this is a no-brainer....I do it just like I am practicing it.

    If however I find myself in a pack of riders, then I would worry that they won't realize the sweep approach and they or I will clip them.

    So, if I'm in a group, then perhaps it's just best to do as the group is doing....stay on a wheel in front of me and don't do anything drastic through....
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    Isn't this a group of 'celebrities' or something like that?

    Hip, you'll be off the front!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
    Isn't this a group of 'celebrities' or something like that?

    Hip, you'll be off the front!


    I repeat my original advice. Take a flyer from the ***, and win solo, or die trying. May not be the highest odds of winning but best odds of staying upright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantoj
    Just "hold your line" in the race. You will find that the other racers in the low cats are going really slow through tight corners. Sweeping wide through the corners is OK if you're up front, but no good if you're in the middle of the pack, in my very limited experience.

    MY expeirence is the exact opposite, my fellow Cat 5's are flying through the turns at unsafe speeds!!!! Almost got taken out once becuase an idiot carried WAY too much speed into a 180 turn and of course lost it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
    Isn't this a group of 'celebrities' or something like that?

    Hip, you'll be off the front!
    ...this is my hope, but you never know, and just in case I want a Plan B.....I just want to be prepared for whatever. Besides, this is kind of fun training for something a little different like this...shakes up the routine of just going out and riding my usual 26 or 35 miles.

    I appreciate all the advice from those who are already experienced at this here....
    Hip, "Halffast Celebrity Fashionista"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike9903
    MY expeirence is the exact opposite, my fellow Cat 5's are flying through the turns at unsafe speeds!!!! Almost got taken out once becuase an idiot carried WAY too much speed into a 180 turn and of course lost it.
    I guess if you are in a Cat 5 race and you don't see the squirrelly idiot, it's like being in a poker game and not being able to spot the chump... but my limited experience has been: way too slow on the tight corners, and unneeded swooping in and out out the fast corners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
    Isn't this a group of 'celebrities' or something like that?

    Hip, you'll be off the front!

    Plus, if I'm reading the schedule right, its a 15 minute race! Hip, can solo off the front at the *** and hold that to victory!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sage23
    Plus, if I'm reading the schedule right, its a 15 minute race! Hip, can solo off the front at the *** and hold that to victory!
    ^That's how it works in my dreams anyway!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hipcycler
    Shift back in the saddle?
    Explain please....
    explanation here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hipcycler
    ^That's how it works in my dreams anyway!

    It all depends on the other celebs. Any idea who else is going to be there? Courtny Gerrish might be some actual competition!

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    if that's the tri-chic that has hip all hot and bothered (), then chances are she'll crash out in the first 100 meters.

    btw - i hope for her sake that she's better looking in person

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    I know....I hope she's there. I've asked her but have not gotten an answer yet.
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    ...what....I missed that...I was lying back and thinking of England just to practice.

    Ah England....warm beer and bad food....what more could you ask for?
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    bad weather?

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto
    bad weather?
    Oh yeah, I forgot that one!
    Good point.
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    Hip, just think to yourself, "I am the master of the crit. I am the crit commander!"

    I have no idea why your thread made me think of this movie clip from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, but it did--must be getting delirious with all this editing. Just imagine him saying "crit" instead.

    (this is definitely an R-rated clip and rather raunchy. You've been warned.)

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=YO7BSCxb0-8
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    Quote Originally Posted by botto
    if that's the tri-chic that has hip all hot and bothered (), then chances are she'll crash out in the first 100 meters.

    btw - i hope for her sake that she's better looking in person
    I think it's spelled "Garish."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete
    I think it's spelled "Garish."
    she's Mantastic!

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