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Old 06-06-07, 02:17 PM   #1
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How to make Bike Racing on TV better...

So, it seems like bike racing is hitting an all time low on TV, no doubt, because it's often as boring as paint drying unless you are a hardcore enthusiast.

Considering the UCI weight limit, and how easy it is to beat it, maybe UCI should learn something from F1 and put cameras on all the riders. RAI did this with the Giro in 2003 -they put a bike camera and the sprint was amazing -I'd like to see the view on climbs when the crowds open up. These cameras are smaller and lighter every month. If all have to wear them, no disadvantage.

Second idea, open up the radio traffic, with a 5-10 minute delay, hear what's going on.

Cycling needs to get more interactive to attract viewers.

Other ideas?
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Those are some good ideas.
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Hire commentators who actually understand the sport?
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Like the Radio idea...agree that it would need to be delayed, but I say delay the whole broadcast 5-10 minutes, otherwise it'll get a bit too confusing
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Those are good ideas. I've always wished for better graphics in cycling coverage. AT the beginning of the stage, they often show amazing 3D maps of the course outline; however, during the race, we're largely expected to pinpoint rider positions from the commentary alone. It's rare that they throw on a graphic which shows the exact location of the break group(s) and the peleton. Most of the time, you just get time gaps. They did an interesting thing at this year's Giro, breaking up the screen into quarters when there were 4 separate groups on the road. That was interesting, but confusing.
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So, it seems like bike racing is hitting an all time low on TV, no doubt, because it's often as boring as paint drying unless you are a hardcore enthusiast.

Considering the UCI weight limit, and how easy it is to beat it, maybe UCI should learn something from F1 and put cameras on all the riders. RAI did this with the Giro in 2003 -they put a bike camera and the sprint was amazing -I'd like to see the view on climbs when the crowds open up. These cameras are smaller and lighter every month. If all have to wear them, no disadvantage.

Second idea, open up the radio traffic, with a 5-10 minute delay, hear what's going on.

Cycling needs to get more interactive to attract viewers.

Other ideas?
Well,

I would normally be somewhat interested in what you are proposing. But the reason the cameras on F1 are so fascinating if you want to know what it is like going 180 to 200 mph. Something cycling does not offer.


The following ideas I think would provide a better tool for people following the race:

1. A graph on the bottom or side of the screen tracking graphically (with colored dots etc) the riders and or peleton and breakaways. It would have been somewhat helpful for instance on Mount Zoncolan for instance.
2. On mountain ascents, provide if you can a graphical depiction of how steep the road is where the various riders are, as they are going up. For instance, every time they shot to the different riders, include at the bottom the road, expressed graphically, so that we can anticipate how steep the section of the road is for the riders.
3. Fitness Meters: they already are using HRM data for riders as they ride. Since so many people (non-cyclists) use HRM and Calorie counters on their stationary equipment either at home or at the gym, showing real time power meter and calorie information would also provide the general public a chance to grasp just how much effort these guys are putting in.
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For Time Trials, especially, but for other stages as well, they could use GPS tracking to show in real time how far a rider is ahead or behind at any given point on the course. That would present a technological challenge, but it could be done. They'd need something better than the Garmin tracking that they used on the "Amgen Tour of California" and "Tour de Georgia" though, because those readings ranged from being reasonably accurate, to completely out-to-lunch.

The other suggestions offered so far would help a lot too.
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It would be interesting to listen to the race radios, but I think a delay is unnecessary. I'm sure the teams can already listen to the other teams if they want to.
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I'm always curious as to the % grade being currently climbed (current grade and overall average) and the speed of which the climb is being done at.

Bob Rolls' highly articulate answer of "fast" doesn't really cut the mustard.
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Someone send this thread to someone at VERSUS please!

As long as we're throwing ideas out there.....

I've always thought that TT's should somehow be man on man....on course at the same time. It just makes better TV.
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I disagree, Hip. Woman on woman would be much more entertaining to watch.
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I prefer solo efforts.
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Although I agree that the coverage good vastly be improved, we are by no means at an all time low. Last year, I watched TDF stages live each morning before I went to work. In contrast, the only footage I watched of LeMond’s first tour win was on a weekly re-cap show.

I suggest that if anyone is going to contact Versus that they can they whole “they completely suck” attitude. Let’s face it, they are the only network on this side of the pond that gives a flying #### about cycling.

Personally I think Phil Legette is a good commentator.

In terms of what I would like to see improved, I like a number of the suggestions that have been discussed above.

Most important for me would be to see daily coverage of the other two grand tours (Giro and Vuelta) like they have with the TdF.

Would also be nice to integrate some training and cycling tips into each episode. Getting some tips on sprinting from the like s of Robbie, Boonen and Ail-Jet would be great. Climbing tips, drafting, race tactic from the best riders in the world would be cool.

The odd history profile would be good as well. I was too young to be able to see Eddy, Coppi and others ride and I would like to see some footage of them in action.
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I would normally be somewhat interested in what you are proposing. But the reason the cameras on F1 are so fascinating if you want to know what it is like going 180 to 200 mph. Something cycling does not offer.
True to a point - I'd pay a buck or two to see what a descent from Paolo Savoldellis POV looked like.
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The cameras would be a nice idea. Although not going 180+ mph, it's intense to see what goes in in the middle of a pack of 50-100 riders, especially during the sprints. The descents would be a great view as well.

But this topic is too easy. How do we make golf or bowling better on TV? Or better yet, why is cycling suffering from a lack of spectators when there is a TV show called BINGO?!
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So, it seems like bike racing is hitting an all time low on TV, no doubt, because it's often as boring as paint drying unless you are a hardcore enthusiast.

Considering the UCI weight limit, and how easy it is to beat it, maybe UCI should learn something from F1 and put cameras on all the riders. RAI did this with the Giro in 2003 -they put a bike camera and the sprint was amazing -I'd like to see the view on climbs when the crowds open up. These cameras are smaller and lighter every month. If all have to wear them, no disadvantage.

Second idea, open up the radio traffic, with a 5-10 minute delay, hear what's going on.

Cycling needs to get more interactive to attract viewers.


Other ideas?
Find a way to incorporate The Running of the Bulls with the flat stage Tour de France finishes.

Allow doping.

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30mph on 20% climbs would be awesome to watch!
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make it easier to identify specific riders in the peloton, like putting riders names on the back of their jersey.
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make it easier to identify specific riders in the peloton, like putting riders names on the back of their jersey.
Let me help you with this:

the guy making the insane attack is Vinokourov. He looks like an angry elf.


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The cameras would be a nice idea. Although not going 180+ mph, it's intense to see what goes in in the middle of a pack of 50-100 riders, especially during the sprints. The descents would be a great view as well.

But this topic is too easy.
How do we make golf or bowling better on TV? Or better yet, why is cycling suffering from a lack of spectators when there is a TV show called BINGO?!
Because most guys would rather drink beer, bullsh!t, and be able to talk a good game than sweat, shave their legs or vomit in their mouth (golf and bowling) and there are a lot of old people who like to chain smoke and gamble (bingo) - come to think of it, why do I enjoy cycling so much?
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So, it seems like bike racing is hitting an all time low on TV, no doubt, because it's often as boring as paint drying unless you are a hardcore enthusiast.

Considering the UCI weight limit, and how easy it is to beat it, maybe UCI should learn something from F1 and put cameras on all the riders. RAI did this with the Giro in 2003 -they put a bike camera and the sprint was amazing -I'd like to see the view on climbs when the crowds open up. These cameras are smaller and lighter every month. If all have to wear them, no disadvantage.

Second idea, open up the radio traffic, with a 5-10 minute delay, hear what's going on.

Cycling needs to get more interactive to attract viewers.

Other ideas?
Almost forgot to answer the original question - more Bob Roll
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Bobke RULES.
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Just to pipe in: We are gonna have all kinds of live tv coverage of the Philly race on Sunday. Helicopter shots are usually really good. Motorcycle camera stuff, not so much. Commentary...forget about it.

But I don't think its being picked up anywhere else (ie versus). Maybe PA needs to belly up to the bar like CA and VA with the big 'Visit PA' media buy.
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