Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

View Poll Results: If he doped, does that change whether you think he was in fact willing to do everythi

Voters
14. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, i thought he didn't want it but he really did -- he was willing to take drugs!

    0 0%
  • No, I always thought he wanted it and taking the drugs confirms it

    2 14.29%
  • Yes, I thought he was lazy and his reliance on the easy drugs proves it

    6 42.86%
  • No, I thought he was lazy but taking the drugs shows he really wanted it

    0 0%
  • other

    6 42.86%
Results 1 to 9 of 9
  1. #1
    Senior Member donrhummy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    3,484
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Does Ullrich Doping Change How Hard You Think he Tried To Win?

    Ullrich has been dogged for years with complaints that he "just didn't want it enough." He'd get out of shape in the off-season and then have to struggle to get into shape. People said he didn't try that hard and thus wasted his potential. So my question is:

    If he doped, does that change whether you think he was in fact willing to do everything he could to win?

  2. #2
    Banned. Ryanf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Jan Ullrich Is der Kaiser.
    My Bikes
    giant tcr c1 and giant ocr limited
    Posts
    1,322
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    He liked to eat. He is still the best ever.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Richmond, VA
    My Bikes
    Torelli Titanio; Serotta Atlanta Concept; Bridgestone MB4, Raleigh Twenty, Bike Friday Family Tandem
    Posts
    394
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I never thought that criticism was legitimate. Also, I don't tell myself anybody in the pro peleton is clean. So no effect at all.

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Lake Stevens, WA
    Posts
    1,166
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    If he wanted it more than, say, Armstrong, he'd have been logging the incredible winter miles that I've read that Armstrong did. Still though, perhaps his physiology had it's own constraints.

  5. #5
    Dirt-riding heretic DrPete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Gig Harbor, WA
    My Bikes
    Lynskey R230/Red, Blue Triad SL/Red, Cannondale Scalpel 3/X9
    Posts
    17,416
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    I think they both doped. I just think that Jan wasn't as pathologically obsessed with training as Lance was.
    "Unless he was racing there was no way he could match my speed."

  6. #6
    Upgrading my engine DXchulo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Reno
    Posts
    5,636
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Everyone was doing drugs, so I don't think it says anything about his desire to win. That's just the way things were. You still have to judge him by the effort he actually put into riding. Since I'm sure he trained harder than me, I'll reserve judgment.
    centuryperweek.blogspot.com

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    2,140
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete
    I think they both doped. I just think that Jan wasn't as pathologically obsessed with training as Lance was.

    Count it.

  8. #8
    more ape than man timmhaan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    nyc
    Posts
    8,093
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    i think the '03 tour saw jan at his best.

  9. #9
    Senior Member Dubbayoo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Atlanta
    My Bikes
    Pedal Force QS3
    Posts
    7,683
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I think the East German system burnt the caring out of Jan by the time he turned pro. After winning the Tour once it wasn't important enough to him.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •