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    CAAD8 vs. Pinarello F4:13 comparison: Impressive.

    Well, there really is a reason why just about everyone on this forum (myself included) recommends a Cannondale CAAD-series frame for anyone racing on a budget... I took a short check ride on the newly built-up CAAD8 yesterday, and while it's not quite on par with the F4:13, it's tough to beat in the bang-for-the-buck department.

    Cornering: The CAAD8 is extremely nimble in turns and remarkably stable, but the Pinarello wins by a nose in front end responsiveness--it's just a little more sensitive/a little quicker to respond to steering input than the CAAD8, but that's kind of a subjective thing anyway.

    Rough roads: The CAAD8 definitely transmits a lot more road buzz to the rider than the F4:13, but I'll say that the CAAD8 is leaps and bounds better than my last Cannondale, a CAAD3 Amazing what generations of frame design can do. Like a lot of CF frames, though, the F4:13's ride is very smooth, so it's tough for an AL frame to compete.

    Stiffness: The CAAD is way stiff, and the pedal feel is very direct--definitely gives the sense that power is going right to the road. It wasn't until I laid on a maximal sprint that I felt any flex in the down tube/BB, and while it was a LITTLE bit flexier than the Pinarello, it wasn't by much.

    So overall, there are no surprises here. The CAAD8 doesn't have the same ride as an italian CF wunderbike, but it's damn close, and if you can't/don't want to spend the cash for the super bling, you'll still get a more-than-capable race rig with the CAAD8/9.

    Now I just wait for my Zipps to be done, and I'll throw them on the new 'Dale. Pics to follow!
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    im already having to restrain myself from buying one for myself and now you post this

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    What's being "done" mean for your Zipps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets
    What's being "done" mean for your Zipps?
    My first gluing job on the tubulars was less than masterful, so I took them to the shop to have them inspected and re-glued as necessary before I ride on them. The mechanic said I probably waited too long for the glue to dry before putting on the tire, and as a result there were a couple spots where the tire didn't bond to the rim very well at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete
    My first gluing job on the tubulars was less than masterful, so I took them to the shop to have them inspected and re-glued as necessary before I ride on them. The mechanic said I probably waited too long for the glue to dry before putting on the tire, and as a result there were a couple spots where the tire didn't bond to the rim very well at all.
    Not what you want to have on your mind during 40mph twisting descent. You should watch him do it. Glad your in the wind again.
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    just out of curiosity, did that hideous fork of yours die in the crash? if so, thank god.

    shame about the frame though, and i'm glad you're alright.

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    Welcome to teh dark side:

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    interesting to know.

    been thinking of getting a tcr alliance as a domestic bike (so i don't have to lug my bike with me when i fly back for holidays/etc). maybe another cannondale is an option? god knows that they only had one direction to go in the comfort department.

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    Yup, my next frame is a going to be a CAAD8/9.
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    If I buy a Cannondale, though, I'd have to photoshop my avatar.
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    [rant] And you wonder why people lose faith in LBS's.

    I went to pick up the Zipps today, and am informed by the shop manager that they aren't ready, and probably won't be for several days. I tell her that the only reason I left them at the shop was that I was assured that the wheels would be all glued up and ready to go by Saturday at the very latest because I have a race on Sunday. Thankfully the manager is also a tubular guru and is spending the afternoon gluing them up so they'll be ready by 5, and all dry/cured for race day tomorrow.

    So frustrating to be promised one thing and to get the "Oh, I don't know who would have told you that" line when you expect them to actually deliver on it. I guess I need to start recording my conversations with all LBS's and take down names of each person I speak to.

    Granted, this would all be a non-issue if I were just competent at gluing tubulars already, but it's still frustrating to get the runaround.[/rant]
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    Quote Originally Posted by revmonkey
    just out of curiosity, did that hideous fork of yours die in the crash? if so, thank god.

    shame about the frame though, and i'm glad you're alright.
    Nope, the fork is alive and well. In fact, maybe I'll just PM you a photo essay of the fork. I mean, 20-30 hi-res images should capture the essence of it pretty well.
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    Pete, with the deals you have been getting through that you gotta let some things slide

    but yeah i hate that stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by riskus
    Pete, with the deals you have been getting through that you gotta let some things slide

    but yeah i hate that stuff
    It was actually a different shop--not my sponsor. I shoulda been clear on that. Because I got the wheels direct from Zipp I decided to drop the wheels at a shop that's 2 minutes from home and has really great mechanics. They've always done a great job in the past too.
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    ah well thats makes more sense to me.

    I thought you said earlier that you DID get them from your sponsoring shop because they got close enough to the military discount. obviously i misread somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riskus
    ah well thats makes more sense to me.

    I thought you said earlier that you DID get them from your sponsoring shop because they got close enough to the military discount. obviously i misread somewhere.
    Well, that was the plan... but then their distributor balked and they got quoted a 2-week lead time from another place. So I ended up doing the military deal after all.
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    i think i remember that now.

    i cant wait to see them in person tomorrow.

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    Y'all are all welcome to have a beer at my place following the race
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete
    Nope, the fork is alive and well. In fact, maybe I'll just PM you a photo essay of the fork. I mean, 20-30 hi-res images should capture the essence of it pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete
    Stiffness: The CAAD is way stiff, and the pedal feel is very direct--definitely gives the sense that power is going right to the road. It wasn't until I laid on a maximal sprint that I felt any flex in the down tube/BB, and while it was a LITTLE bit flexier than the Pinarello, it wasn't by much.

    So overall, there are no surprises here. The CAAD8 doesn't have the same ride as an italian CF wunderbike, but it's damn close, and if you can't/don't want to spend the cash for the super bling, you'll still get a more-than-capable race rig with the CAAD8/9.

    Now I just wait for my Zipps to be done, and I'll throw them on the new 'Dale. Pics to follow!
    For some reason I doubt this.

    See the System Six results vs. F4:13 results in the following link:

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/ph...+tests&start=0

    And, note that the SystemSix and CAAD9 share the same rear triangle.

    Top: Bottom bracket stiffness / Tretlagersteifigkeit / Kraftûbertragung
    Upper right: Lateral stiffness / Headtube stiffness / Lenkkopfsteifigkeit / Fahrstabilität

    Unless you got a bum Cannondale, that is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent
    For some reason I doubt this.

    See the System Six results vs. F4:13 results in the following link:

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/ph...+tests&start=0

    And, note that the SystemSix and CAAD9 share the same rear triangle.

    Top: Bottom bracket stiffness / Tretlagersteifigkeit / Kraftûbertragung
    Upper right: Lateral stiffness / Headtube stiffness / Lenkkopfsteifigkeit / Fahrstabilität

    Unless you got a bum Cannondale, that is...
    I don't know--Mine's a CAAD8, which is supposedly not as stiff as the 9. But it could also be my imagination.
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    So here are a couple pics of the new build--only bummer is that my Powertap wiring harness got messed up too, so no electronics on board right now, but I'm really, really happy with the build. More pics once the Zipps come home from the shop.





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    what are you going to do if for some reason you have a higher power output on this rig?


    this thing is going to look awesome with the zipps

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    Quote Originally Posted by riskus
    what are you going to do if for some reason you have a higher power output on this rig?
    Hehe... that'd be funny. And confusing.

    I basically got everything to within a couple mm of the fit I had on the Pinarello, so we'll see.
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    All ive been thinking about the last few days is trading my tarmac frame in for a caad9..
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