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    Race Report - June 24

    I raced today.
    Good friend crashed hard.
    I stopped to help.
    Medics took forever to arrive, I took off to finish the race.
    Referees and I petitioned to no avail.
    DNF.
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    Sorry to hear about the crash, BD... I take it this was Reston?

    Any news on your friend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete
    Sorry to hear about the crash, BD... I take it this was Reston?

    Any news on your friend?
    Broken collarbone, broken wrist. He hit one of the orange barrels used to mark road obstacles and went over his handlebars. His rear wheel came within 6 inches of me. I had to stop and make sure he was OK - he needed fluid and someone to tell him not to move. He needed someone to wave off oncoming riders. Course marshals arrived on-scene minutes after the crash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung
    Broken collarbone, broken wrist. He hit one of the orange barrels used to mark road obstacles and went over his handlebars. His rear wheel came within 6 inches of me. I had to stop and make sure he was OK - he needed fluid and someone to tell him not to move. He needed someone to wave off oncoming riders. Course marshals arrived on-scene minutes after the crash.
    You did the right thing. At that point the race just isn't that important. I wouldn't feel bad for a minute about what you did, or even consider it a loss/failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete
    You did the right thing. At that point the race just isn't that important. I wouldn't feel bad for a minute about what you did, or even consider it a loss/failure.
    I know, but it just sucks. Throwing salt in the wound is the race organizers who, following my plea and that of the ref, said "That's tough luck, but you chose to stop and help him. Next time, if you want to finish the race, finish the race; don't stop"

    I understand their reasoning, but it's ****ty. The least they could have done was give me DFL
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    Sucks to be them (the officials), BD. Pessimistic SOB's.

    Way to go, by the way. Stand-up-thing you did; you and your buddy will both remember it long after the mid-pack finish that you didn't get would've been forgotten.
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    Congrats, BD. You did the right thing.

    I STILL feel bad about not stopping for the two crashes in the Cat5s at Quicksilver. It just feels wrong to keep going if I see someone flip over their handlebars. Race or no race.

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    Good job keeping things in perspective and stopping for your friend. I hope he recovers quickly.

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    yeah, i agree with all the others. this doesn't speak very highly of the race organizers' character. but the only person who matters - your friend - will remember what you did for him long after even you have forgotten. "do the right thing." you did that today. all my respect to you
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    Props to you.
    My best to your bud.

    What's with all the crashing lately?
    'nuff already.

    Maybe they should start a CRASH forum for cryin' out loud.
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    That sucks about your friend. Its just a cat 5 race so all that matters is that you started. The 3/4 race looked to be a crash fest too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riskus
    That sucks about your friend. Its just a cat 5 race so all that matters is that you started. The 3/4 race looked to be a crash fest too.
    +1. Surprisingly, I don't think there were any crashes in the 4's race!

    There was a crash in turn 8 on the last lap of the P/1/2 race too... Definitely a challenging course not to be taken lightly.

    As for me, well I hung on for a while but the 4's race was just crazy fast and between my recent crash and bad pre-race prep, I was OTB and pulled by about the halfway point.
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    Now that I've been on the course and seen the barrel in question, I have to ask--what was he thinking? I mean, what led to him hitting the barrel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete
    Now that I've been on the course and seen the barrel in question, I have to ask--what was he thinking? I mean, what led to him hitting the barrel?
    He was on another rider's wheel who swung out at the last second. Honestly though I have no idea what he was thinking - we'd passed that barrel at least 10 times when he decided to make its acquaintance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung
    He was on another rider's wheel who swung out at the last second. Honestly though I have no idea what he was thinking - we'd passed that barrel at least 10 times when he decided to make its acquaintance.
    That was in a fast part of the course too... yeesh.

    Well, I guess nobody ever runs into a large bright orange inanimate object on purpose... Hope he's feeling better soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung
    I know, but it just sucks. Throwing salt in the wound is the race organizers who, following my plea and that of the ref, said "That's tough luck, but you chose to stop and help him. Next time, if you want to finish the race, finish the race; don't stop"

    I understand their reasoning, but it's ****ty. The least they could have done was give me DFL
    Did you tell them to go **** themselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarWizard
    Did you tell them to go **** themselves?
    I don't know that the officials were really in the wrong. I mean, if you didn't finish in the pack it doesn't matter because it's a cat 5 race, but even if it DID matter I don't think that it should be up to the officials to grant finishes to people who were OTB for noble reasons.

    I still think you did the right thing, and in this case it meant getting a DNF in a cat 5 bike race. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete
    I don't know that the officials were really in the wrong. I mean, if you didn't finish in the pack it doesn't matter because it's a cat 5 race, but even if it DID matter I don't think that it should be up to the officials to grant finishes to people who were OTB for noble reasons.

    I still think you did the right thing, and in this case it meant getting a DNF in a cat 5 bike race. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
    Yeah, again I don't disagree with their decision, but I thought that their delivery (i.e. "customer service") was far from tactful. An alternative phrasing of their decision could have been "We really thank you for stopping to assist the rider but, unfortunately, we cannot make an exception for this case."
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    I saw two single rider crashes in the 4 race. One guy touched wheels and went down and later another guy went down when his pedal hit the curb. Both guys were alright though.

    i took a bunch of crappy pics of the 3/4 and 4 race that I will post later

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    I can't tell you how many times I thought my head was going to hit those haybails on the turn right before the hill. My line through that was so tight, I was hugging the cones. Felt good though
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung
    Yeah, again I don't disagree with their decision, but I thought that their delivery (i.e. "customer service") was far from tactful. An alternative phrasing of their decision could have been "We really thank you for stopping to assist the rider but, unfortunately, we cannot make an exception for this case."
    That was kinda my point with telling them what to go do with themselves, as their delivery wasn't exactly the greatest from the way you stated it. Two wrongs don't make a right, but sometimes it's more fun that way.
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    bdcheung, thanks for helping out your team mate. He's also my team mate. Bad show though

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    Sometimes you get a little tired on a wheel, forget where you are on the course... I guess that's part of why we're not pros.

    I'm glad you stopped too. f the race at that point

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    DNF because you were awaiting the medivac chopper for your pal beats DFL any day. The organizers know this, they are always wiser than the bike weenies they blow off. Some day you'll understand this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad
    DNF because you were awaiting the medivac chopper for your pal beats DFL any day. The organizers know this, they are always wiser than the bike weenies they blow off. Some day you'll understand this.
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