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Old 06-25-07, 09:25 AM   #1
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If you don't know how to clip in, don't start at the front.

That's what I was informed yesterday as I struggled to clip in.

How embarrassing.

I'm still going to start as far forward as possible though. So there.
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Yeah, all you can do is practice clipping in.
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1-legged pedaling until you get clipped in Don't worry about it though. It could have been worse: in a race a while back I ran over a guy who fell over as a result of his inability to clip in.
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I think everyone mucks this up from time to time.
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I think I would have told the person: "If you don't know how to get around me, don't start in the back."
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How did the race go besides that?
The juniors race averaged 16 mph for the first two laps, I got 15th
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Meh, I started behind a guy who missed his clip-in in the downtown crit. I just ratchet-pedaled against the curb and passed him -- I was the 4th rider into the first corner. Those guys who are behind you complaining need to STFU and race.
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This year at the Tour of New Braunfels I fell over because I couldn't clip into my TT bike. It was an up hill start and I didn't get enough momentum going and missed the pedal. I fell over and the time lost cost me a top ten finish.
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Only a newbie would tell someone to start at the back for not clipping in asap. Everyone has that problem sometimes. Nerves usually cause the issue.
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Meh, I started behind a guy who missed his clip-in in the downtown crit. I just ratchet-pedaled against the curb and passed him -- I was the 4th rider into the first corner. Those guys who are behind you complaining need to STFU and race.
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Clipping in fast is critical in crits. I have goofed up two races because of bad clip-ins (which I think really means bad nerves).

In both cases (short Cat 5 crits), I lined up near the front and lost 20+ paces, then I spent the first half of the race sprinting around every corner at the back and blowing up trying to get to the front.
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How did the race go besides that?
The juniors race averaged 16 mph for the first two laps, I got 15th
I, also, got 15th.

Highlights:
  • There was a 2 man break for about 3 laps. The most they got was about 30 seconds. Impressive nonetheless
  • The sixth and penultimate lap was very slow. Not 16mph slow, but slow. I think we averaged about 24 mph for the day. (Remember kids: average speeds are not indicative of effort without taking other factors into account)
  • In the last lap, I stayed in the top 10, usually top 5. I probably burned a little too much energy doing this.
  • About a mile or two from the finish, there was a van stopped in the course, literally blocking the entire lane. Everyone should have had a yellow line DQ there. That would have been pretty cool.
  • On the uphill finish, my shifting sucked, I was out of gas, and I got passed by about 10 people.
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Coming up that hill I had good position, abiut 5th and a good sprint, but there was a guy in front of me who decided to stop sprinting, and I had to grab the brakes and swerve around him, and there was another guy that was warming up and was in the middle of the road and I had to swerve around him too.
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An easy way to learn how to clip in even under pressure is to put a foot down at every stop sign (yes sign!), light, anytime you have to stop. Yeah it kills your average, stopping might save your life, yada yada yada, but in the end, you'll race better because you practice clipping in a few dozen times a ride. After a few weeks of this, you'll clip in as fast as humanly possible without thinking about it.

Then you can work on your trackstands.

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I got the trackstands. I almost never clip out.

Actually, my clipins are usually (80%+) quite smooth too. I just didn't have my LOOK juice flowing yesterday.
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I did a race in Berkeley last year with an uphill start and couldn't get my damn left foot until the 3d or 4th try. By that time the lead was around the corner and the race was pretty much over for me. Suckx.
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Funny, with my MTB shoes and SPD pedals, clipping in is about the only thing I seem to do very well in at any race. If I do miss my cleat catches enough of the pedal to get going anyhow. I am sure that the extra grams are the reason I usually get spit out the back, but I always seem to be up there in the beggining as I pass a half dozen missed clipppers.

So why would I want to buy road shoes again?
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Funny, with my MTB shoes and SPD pedals, clipping in is about the only thing I seem to do very well in at any race. If I do miss my cleat catches enough of the pedal to get going anyhow. I am sure that the extra grams are the reason I usually get spit out the back, but I always seem to be up there in the beggining as I pass a half dozen missed clipppers.

So why would I want to buy road shoes again?
So you dont pull out of the pedal in a sprint and kill yourself
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Funny, with my MTB shoes and SPD pedals, clipping in is about the only thing I seem to do very well in at any race. If I do miss my cleat catches enough of the pedal to get going anyhow. I am sure that the extra grams are the reason I usually get spit out the back, but I always seem to be up there in the beggining as I pass a half dozen missed clipppers.

So why would I want to buy road shoes again?
I used to think that until I broke my collarbone and lost my spleen. Now I know better. Please be careful.
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That's what I was informed yesterday as I struggled to clip in.

How embarrassing.

I'm still going to start as far forward as possible though. So there.
I would counter-inform whoever busted your balls that they should blow you. That would be proper ettiquette in this situation in the NYC peloton.

That is all.
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Help me here becuase I have never been in a position to Sprint, though I did Sprint seated for 15th place in one crit, but wouldn't the cleat and pedal interact just the same on a MTB shoe vs road shoe?

Or is it that one needs a road specific cleat/pedal for sprinting that wouldn't fit on a MTB shoe?

Thank you for your clarification in advance, this may seem like ABCs to most roadies but I have to ask.
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Clipping in fast is critical in crits. I have goofed up two races because of bad clip-ins (which I think really means bad nerves).

In both cases (short Cat 5 crits), I lined up near the front and lost 20+ paces, then I spent the first half of the race sprinting around every corner at the back and blowing up trying to get to the front.
I actually think starting at the front is a little bit overrated. If you've got the fitness and the pack skills, you can usually move up pretty quickly. If you don't you'll lose that front position quickly also.

I'd still rather start at the front, but I don't think it's as critical as its made out to be.
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Help me here becuase I have never been in a position to Sprint, though I did Sprint seated for 15th place in one crit, but wouldn't the cleat and pedal interact just the same on a MTB shoe vs road shoe?

Some pedal/cleat systems are better at avoiding unintentional release than others. Some MTB pedals, particularly if they're designed for casual cycling, and walking around may have lower release tensions and be more prone to unintentionally release.

The almost impossibility of unintentionally releasing from a Speedplay pedal, and the ease of clipping in without looking, are the reasons I started riding them.
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An easy way to learn how to clip in even under pressure is to put a foot down at every stop sign (yes sign!), light, anytime you have to stop. Yeah it kills your average, stopping might save your life, yada yada yada, but in the end, you'll race better because you practice clipping in a few dozen times a ride. After a few weeks of this, you'll clip in as fast as humanly possible without thinking about it.

Then you can work on your trackstands.

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Supposedly, the U.S. National Team when the were coached by Eddy B, had to do this at every stop sign for the reason you suggest.
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Help me here becuase I have never been in a position to Sprint, though I did Sprint seated for 15th place in one crit, but wouldn't the cleat and pedal interact just the same on a MTB shoe vs road shoe?

Or is it that one needs a road specific cleat/pedal for sprinting that wouldn't fit on a MTB shoe?

Thank you for your clarification in advance, this may seem like ABCs to most roadies but I have to ask.
If you're seated, you're probably not in any danger. The danger of unintentional clipouts comes to the fore when standing. And they don't interact the same way. Different cleat mechanisms are... well, different. I had my SPD tension dialed all the way up, and I pulled straight up and out on the upstroke of a practice sprint. My knee hit the bar, the bar hit my chest, and my shoulder hit the ground at ~28mph. After investigating the issue, I discovered that many other people have encountered this problem with SPDs. SPDs are just fine for most kinds of riding, but they are definitely not suitable for sprinting on the road.
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