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    Peloton Dog patentcad's Avatar
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    The inevitable Pcad Powertap Hand Wringing Thread is Here

    Oh yes. I am close to a Powertap. I'm getting faster, but on days like today I realize there are two major flaws in my training strategy (3 if you include that I'm trying to get faster with Pcad as the motor):

    1.) I don't ever take rest days. I realize this is utterly counter-productive to getting faster, but for multiple reasons I feel compelled to ride daily. My last day off the bike was April 30. F me. You can try 'walking on the bike', but NOTHING is better than doing NOTHING. Particularly for guys over age 45.

    2.) I like the Powertap wireless unit. Any feedback on this? Mounting it up on different bikes involves a $15 handlebar mount, no wires, nothing. And they now have software for my Mac so I can generate those cool graphs like Dr. W. Don't look for my graphs posted on BF, it would be far too embarrassing.

    I was utter Wasa today (thanks to botto for the metaphor it never felt more appropriate):



    110 miles on Saturday, and today I felt fried from the first pedal stroke. Hung on Nyack and got blown out on Scratchup Road (nasty steep climb about 4 miles from the end of a 50 mile ride) for the first time in a couple of months. You know those days when you're saying 'this ride shouldn't be this hard' and you're digging down just to hold the wheel in front of you wondering if your brake is rubbbing? One of those days today. Had a couple of strong moments, made it over the climb mid-ride with the bunch (that hill typically eliminates at least 1/3 of the pack, sometimes more).

    Got away with that 100+ miles Sat/Nyack Ride Sunday combo the past few weeks. Not today. However I have had enough experience to know that tomorrow is another day and even the crispiest toast can get a second wind.

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    rest day for wussy

    get the powertap, even I am about to order one

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    it doesn't matter how fast/slow fat/rasmussen young/pcad you are, EVERYONE (yes you) can benefit from better training. go for it: the numbers are more addicting than chocolate cake

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoboard2
    it doesn't matter how fast/slow fat/rasmussen young/pcad you are, EVERYONE (yes you) can benefit from better training.
    go for it: the numbers are more addicting than chocolate cake
    I suppose that's possible. Maybe I need more miles, I only logged 1100 in the past three weeks.

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    You don't have a powertap? What is this, 2004? I'm stuck in some sort of time warp?

    This is a done deal, pcaddy. With... uh... what I presume to be your bike budget, the Powertap is long overdue.

    Pcad rockin' the Ptap. It has a ring to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
    You don't have a powertap? What is this, 2004? I'm stuck in some sort of time warp?

    This is a done deal, pcaddy. With... uh... what I presume to be your bike budget, the Powertap is long overdue.

    Pcad rockin' the Ptap. It has a ring to it.
    he's not the only one.

    god forbid that he does get one. the plethora of powerweenie charts&graphs is going to explode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto
    he's not the only one.

    god forbid that he does get one. the plethora of powerweenie charts&graphs is going to explode.
    The BF server would melt down in the first month and I would be banned for life.

    When Pcad goes into a time warp, think 1994, not 2004.

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    Did you guys have a pool on when I would post this? Who won?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
    You don't have a powertap? What is this, 2004? I'm stuck in some sort of time warp?
    Yeah, lots of us don't have one.

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    OK, actual information contained here, warning!

    If you get a PT, i'd get the wired one. I've heard of some loss of data from the wireless ones. Plus, you'll save some money. If you're carefuly, you can route the cables just fine with a wired anything.

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    Take my advice from experience: Skip the PT and get an Ergomo or, better yet, SRM.
    "When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
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    I have the wireless version and haven't had any trouble with it at all. I would highly recommend it. The mount is sturdy and the lack of wires is a plus. I mount mine on my stem and still use a Cateye on top of my bars. For now I don't race it the PT, but the day could be coming soon.

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    you'll buy one. just like you did a TT bike. now that the bug is in your head, there is no point in turning back.

    actually, i think i'm one of the few that isn't addicted to their numbers. i just don't care. i still prefer just using a HRM.

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    Please elaborate, BD.
    Reacting is mind candy; it requires no thought. Thinking is tedious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
    Please elaborate, BD.
    1) bdcheung likes bling.
    2) pcad likes bling.
    3) PT wheels (unless laced to expensive carbon rims) != bling.
    4) Zipps = bling.
    5) Ergo, bdcheung likes Zipps and, by extension, pcad also likes Zipps (though this was previously proven in numerous threads).
    6) Ergo, pcad will be better off getting an Ergomo or SRM that will allow him to indulge both his thirst for data and desire for bling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung
    Take my advice from experience: Skip the PT and get an Ergomo or, better yet, SRM.
    Even though Ergomo cranks get crapped on by most folks who train with power? Buy the PT and be done with it. I feel nekkid when it's not on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung
    1) bdcheung likes bling.
    2) pcad likes bling.
    3) PT wheels (unless laced to expensive carbon rims) != bling.
    4) Zipps = bling.
    5) Ergo, bdcheung likes Zipps and, by extension, pcad also likes Zipps (though this was previously proven in numerous threads).
    6) Ergo, pcad will be better off getting an Ergomo or SRM that will allow him to indulge both his thirst for data and desire for bling.


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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan
    you'll buy one. just like you did a TT bike. now that the bug is in your head, there is no point in turning back.
    Correct.

    I have spoken with two people who own the wireless PT's and have had no problems. One says the Mac software works fine.

    Besides, any data loss in Pcad's case would be so infinitesimal it would be of no consequence to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damocles1
    I feel nekkid when it's not on the bike.
    You can ride a bike without a Powertap?

    As Pcad is wont to say...


    Fascinating.
    Reacting is mind candy; it requires no thought. Thinking is tedious.

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    If you buy the PT, you're going to have to get it laced with a Zipp rim.


    When you figure the cost for PT wireless built up with a Zipp rim, the SRM starts to look in reach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
    You can ride a bike without a Powertap?
    The more I think about it the more it seems like driving a Porsche without a tachometer.

    Of course the Porsche has a motor and Pcad does not, but that is besides the point.

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    Your analogy is off, you are the honda civic that looks like an oversized shopping cart. Nice wheels, data monitoring but still a crappy motor

    I totally agree with bdcheung, you can get a ergomo off ebay for $1100 new(or a SRM amateur used for about the same) if you shop around and with the ergomo you can get altitude data.

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    Isn't the ergomo the one that (cringe) is only compatible with (re-cringe) Campy?

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    PCAD get the PT, and don't worry I'm sure your numbers are better than mine! So you won't have the lowest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad
    Isn't the ergomo the one that (cringe) is only compatible with (re-cringe) Campy?
    I run my Ergomo with FSA carbon cranks on an Octalink spline. I know Ergomo comes in square-taper and Octalink and, I'm pretty sure, ISIS too. I've been happy with mine, and I know Vino's been happy with his.
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