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Old 08-15-07, 02:11 PM   #1
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Crit cornering

First race coming up this weekend. I've been able to spend a lot of time riding with groups but haven't had a chance to work on speeding around the corners.
Thought it would be a good thing to work on for a few light days working up to the race... Any ideas, strategies or things that worked for you as you were developing your technique though the turns?
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Old 08-15-07, 02:14 PM   #2
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stay in the drops
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A motorcycle helps a lot.

Anywho, try finding a tight downhill hairpin. It'll force you go through faster and learn to trust your lean angles. Also, don't be afraid to drop a few PSI for added grip. Practice, practice, practice.
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Brake (if you must) before the turn, stay low, hold your line, inside pedal up, accelerate out of the turn.
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Good cornering advice here:
http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/rzone.htm

I do alot of what the author calls "leaning" in crits, and countersteering on open roads, but definitely employ a mixture of methods described depending on where I am in the pack. Keep in mind the riders around you dictate your line, otherwise, fall down go boom.
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Don't clip your pedals in the turn.
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Put your weight on the inside drop and the outside pedal.
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Put your weight on the inside drop and the outside pedal.
To add to that, putting you weight on the inside hand causes what is called "counter-steering" whereby your front wheel will be pointed less towards the center of the turn. This will cause your bike to lean into the turn more, allowing you to maintain greater speed throughout the turn.

I would add to put a significant amount of weight on your outside pedal. This will also help you maintain speed and stability.
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To add to that, putting you weight on the inside hand causes what is called "counter-steering" whereby your front wheel will be pointed less towards the center of the turn. This will cause your bike to lean into the turn more, allowing you to maintain greater speed throughout the turn.

I would add to put a significant amount of weight on your outside pedal. This will also help you maintain speed and stability.
To add to that, make sure you yell "Inside! Inside!" and "Hold your line!" alternately, on every turn; it helps keep your center of gravity low.
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Put your weight on the inside drop and the outside pedal.
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what i learned from my 1st crit:

-check out the course and look out for technical areas where either the road constricts or turns right-then-left or vice versa... you dont want to get boxed in- what will happen on curves or turns.. guys will dive into the turn to take the sharpest line.. which is ok if your in the middle or the outside... but then on the next turn you'll be on the inside with no place to go and get forced against the curb or barrier.
-protect your front wheel no matter what- even if you have to lean into or rub elbows with someone

-crashes happen... especially in cat5's... be prepared to fork up some $$$ if you run into some bad luck
-the main idea in your 1st races is just to survive and pick up some skills/experience...you'll learn what you need to do after your first few races
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First race coming up this weekend. I've been able to spend a lot of time riding with groups but haven't had a chance to work on speeding around the corners.
Thought it would be a good thing to work on for a few light days working up to the race... Any ideas, strategies or things that worked for you as you were developing your technique though the turns?
Don't panic. Seriously I think at least half the crashes on the corners happen because people panic and start going wide. Also watch out for a pedal strike. You take corner sharply enough while pedaling, and if you are not careful inside pedal will hit the ground. At that point evil things will happen. Just relax, and follow the wheel in front of you. The inside of a turn can get very dicey, so if you are skittish try to stay on the outside of the group. Might not always works depending on crit layout.

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Also watch out for a paddle strike.
I would hate to be struck by a paddle while cornering. That would be worse than a dog.
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If its a four turn industrial the turns will be so slow you could pedal right through them but wont be able to because you will be coasting or breaking.
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Can you find an empty parking lot to practice in ??
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Rule #1, follow the wheel in front of you.
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Don't clip your pedals in the turn.

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Also watch out for a peddle strike.
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Always look through the turn. Not at the ground. At the ground is too late.

Inside pedal UP. (by this, I mean: the pedal on the inside of the turn should be in the UP position.)

One turn through the corner. (by this, I mean: DO NOT make 7 or 8 little turns to get through the turn) Smooth is the rule.

Watch what others are doing. Don't ever think that you've found a better way because I guarantee that you haven't.

Watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g-Yrz7STy8
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is there a "perfect" psi for cornering grip?

Rainsford said he once took out half the field on the first corner of an inner-city criterium coz his singles were at about 190psi!
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Eyes up and focus on where you want to go. Don't focus on things like curbs, cones and holes that you want to miss. Most of the time you will go where you look.


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It takes longer than that to get good at turning. And, in most crits, people who can pedal through truns do a lot better than those that can't. I'd suggest going to an empty parking lot and settting up two water bottles about 20 feet apart. Do an increasingly fast figure eight around them. Stay in the drops, keep your weight low, lean the bike, and use your weight to counter-balance. Good luck.
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It takes longer than that to get good at turning. And, in most crits, people who can pedal through truns do a lot better than those that can't. I'd suggest going to an empty parking lot and settting up two water bottles about 20 feet apart. Do an increasingly fast figure eight around them. Stay in the drops, keep your weight low, lean the bike, and use your weight to counter-balance. Good luck.
^^^^ Good advice. The harder version of ri_us' corner training involves cobblestones. You learn *fast* that way.
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