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Old 08-15-07, 02:34 PM   #1
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Poor man's zipps?

Cane Creek Aros 58 Road, half the cost of Zipps, and there is at least a smidge of potential to get these over the winter months. So anyone know anything about 'em? Viable for a 215# fella? It would be a race only wheelset.

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they are probably a gigantex rim, which is also used on the token wheels and quite a few others. The hubs are decent. Depends what the price and weight is. i had the Token branded ones and i noticed a crazy amount of flex when out of the saddle. I am only 140lbs.
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Why not go with the Neuvation C48s or 50s?
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Neuvation is pretty much out as I'm a clyde on Campy according to their own info.
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they are probably a gigantex rim, which is also used on the token wheels and quite a few others. The hubs are decent. Depends what the price and weight is. i had the Token branded ones and i noticed a crazy amount of flex when out of the saddle. I am only 140lbs.
WRONG! Can Creek uses the non-dimpled version of the 404 rim, their hubs are great, they come in different colors, there is a heavier version if you want to spend a little less, and they're stiff.
The Aros 58 would be my first choice for a race wheelset if I was tight on budget and couldn't afford Zipps but wanted carbon.
Also, they're only about 100g more than the new 404's, and are very stiff.
If you're on a team, CC might be able to give you a little break, since I know they help out a lot of athletes by hooking them up with cheap components. I've never seen the road version in person, but I know the track version is VERY popular.

E-mail CC about your weight and riding style and see what they say.
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Old 08-15-07, 05:01 PM   #7
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I would stay away from carbon tubulars at 215 but if you do, dont get anything with cx-ray spokes. They are more aero and lighter but lower weight limits. The lew vt-1's have no weight limit
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I don't know any poor men who can afford to blow $1100 on bike wheels, by the way.
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unless you have some facts i still have to say they are not zipp. the front wheel weights 810g and the rear is 1060. 1870 grams for a set of tubular wheels is absurd.
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unless you have some facts i still have to say they are not zipp. the front wheel weights 810g and the rear is 1060. 1870 grams for a set of tubular wheels is absurd.
I have a pair of the tubulars. Specs given at that link are for the clinchers; it isn't that far off the 404 (these are definitely Zipp rims, previous generations of CC Aros wheels used a Reynolds rim). The CC build is a little heavier than the Zipp for obvious reasons (two "nipples" per spoke, 28 spokes out back, a lot of metal in that rear hub), but it's still a pretty lightweight wheelset. Definitely a good budget alternative to 404s.
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Zipp's rim is a 58mm depth, and IIRC, Token's is a 56mm. Cane Creek isn't going to come out and say that their rims are made by Zipp.

Here is the tubular version with the correct weights, SS version and Team Issue version of them.
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You may want to consider Flash-Point wheels. The FP60's are clinchers at about the same weight as these, true deep-section carbon rim (not just fairing), aero spokes. Made by Zipp so presumably the quality is Zipp-level (and my understanding is that the FP's are basically Zipps design from a few years ago). Nice hubs. Good looking. And they have held my 230# for a triathlon and time trial racing season with no problems.
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Zipp says their 404 clinchers weigh about 1500 grams for a set. That's 300+ grams lighter than those CC's. That's not 'close'.
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IF--and it's a truly huge if--I go the route of seep section carbon wheels, then they will be tubular. Totally. FlashPoint wheels are clinchers. Further, there seems little point to get carbon tubbies if they have a big ole aluminum rim embedded, which the Cane Creeks do not appear to. For the price point ($1100) I can't seem to come up with much else. PCAD, the weight comes in at 1495g/pair. That's on par with the 404 Pave/cx wheels I'd actually get (one set to race in everything and handle my capacious caboose).
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Zipp says their 404 clinchers weigh about 1500 grams for a set. That's 300+ grams lighter than those CC's. That's not 'close'.
No they don't...Zipp claims 788/884, so around 1700 grams. It ends up being the same differential as for the tubulars.

Trust me, CC uses Zipp rims, same OEM deal as Ritchey, American Classic, etcetera. These aren't Gigantex rims.
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unless you have some facts i still have to say they are not zipp. the front wheel weights 810g and the rear is 1060. 1870 grams for a set of tubular wheels is absurd.
I work at Zipp and can confirm that Cane Creek definitely uses our rims, though I have heard that they may be abandoning the wheel market so you might be able to score a deal.
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I work at Zipp and can confirm that Cane Creek definitely uses our rims, though I have heard that they may be abandoning the wheel market so you might be able to score a deal.
And i work at Cervelo and can confirm pedal force uses our frames. Im kidding. Goog to know, thats the weight then for tub?
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I work at Zipp and can confirm that Cane Creek definitely uses our rims, though I have heard that they may be abandoning the wheel market so you might be able to score a deal.
Where is this info coming from!? Is this straight from Cane Creek, or is this through analyzing stats and sales?
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They no longer have the Aros 58 in stock and are not planning to make anymore of them any time soon. I just tried to place a team order 2 weeks ago and they said that they phasing out most if not all wheels, they just are not economical anymore.
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Aros58 Wheel Spec at CaneCreek, 1495g for tubulars
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How about Ritchey WCS Carbon tubies? They weight in at 1336, not too bad, and can be had for around 1.1k. Plus Ritchey has a good crash replacement policy.
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And i work at Cervelo and can confirm pedal force uses our frames. Im kidding. Goog to know, thats the weight then for tub?
I work for LOOK and can confirm Cervelo copies all our frames.

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No they don't...Zipp claims 788/884, so around 1700 grams. It ends up being the same differential as for the tubulars.

Trust me, CC uses Zipp rims, same OEM deal as Ritchey, American Classic, etcetera. These aren't Gigantex rims.
Flashpoints are 774/958, for $1100.
404s are 788/884, for $2000+, but if you are above 180, they recommend clysdales.

$900 is a quite a lot for some dimples. You could get 600g lighter for less.

anywhoo...the bullsh*t expensive wheel market is tanking, which is why cane creek is heading out.
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How about Ritchey WCS Carbon tubies? They weight in at 1336, not too bad, and can be had for around 1.1k. Plus Ritchey has a good crash replacement policy.

Which is?
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The Ritchey wheels look like a decent option, particularly if the CC jobs are to be no more. WTH doesn't flashpoint make a full carbon tubbie?
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