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    Jersey without sleeves.

    Why isn't it legal to race in a jersey without sleeves? And why is it enforced even at the low levels?

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    because the USCF and UCI want everyone to have their funny tan lines to show when they reach up.

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    We enforce it in Florida. Just have them wear a t-shirt underneath.

    It's been a rule for shoulder road rash and asthetics.

    Many moons ago, all riders had to wear black bibs, white socks and jerseys with sleeves. Sounds goofy now, but the rules were set up to keep a professional look to the sport, much like IBM and their blue suit/white shirt policies.

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    Think you could wear it in the WFRRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YMCA View Post
    all riders had to wear black bibs, white socks and jerseys with sleeves.
    ...Those were the days...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FigBug View Post
    Why isn't it legal to race in a jersey without sleeves? And why is it enforced even at the low levels?
    Why do you ask?

    Shouldn't be an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hipcycler View Post
    Why do you ask?

    Shouldn't be an issue.
    Remember...the 'guns' are your legs, not your arms.
    I was a corner marshal at a cat 5 race, and I guess one guy was unaware of the rule, and they wouldn't let him race. I didn't really see what the big deal was.

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    I believe it originates from the European standards of modesty, something that we Americans are now completely devoid of--sense of modesty, that is.

    Many countries, including the US, are still guided/bound by their culture's ideas regarding modesty to the point where laws are passed to enforce them.

    Of course, after watching Le Tour, it seems European modesty standards are out the window when you see guys running with the peloton dressed in only a Speedo and running shoes, a thong, or like Borat!
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    It's part of the conservative nature of the sport. It does not help with road rash (just ask anyone who has crashed on their hips).

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    Quote Originally Posted by YMCA View Post
    Many moons ago, all riders had to wear black bibs, white socks and jerseys with sleeves. Sounds goofy now, but the rules were set up to keep a professional look to the sport, much like IBM and their blue suit/white shirt policies.
    As a former Big Bluer, I can tell you that by the end of the 1990's, business casual had taken over at the mighty IBM.

    But sleeveless in the office would be a bit tacky....

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    The guy who did the Borat run is an American. A friend of mine was on a package tour and "Borat" and his wife were part of the group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouskid55 View Post
    The guy who did the Borat run is an American. A friend of mine was on a package tour and "Borat" and his wife were part of the group.
    Figures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FigBug View Post
    I was a corner marshal at a cat 5 race, and I guess one guy was unaware of the rule, and they wouldn't let him race. I didn't really see what the big deal was.
    Because once you let one person slide, everybody wants to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    I believe it originates from the European standards of modesty...
    Should you not have said "Islam's standard of modesty"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
    Because once you let one person slide, everybody wants to.
    It's a road racing sport. Not a dinner with the Queen. Nor is it a fashion show of ethical standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbelievably View Post
    Should you not have said "Islam's standard of modesty"?
    The have their own. But, they aren't in European bike races.
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    Is there gonna be a sleevless Ryanf jersey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbelievably View Post
    It's a road racing sport. Not a dinner with the Queen. Nor is it a fashion show of ethical standards.
    It doesn't matter what it is. It's in the rule book. If it's not needed, petition to have it taken out of the rules. If it's in the rules and you get caught, accept the consequences whatever they are. If the rule book says you have to have a squeak horn on your handlebar and a rubber chicken under your saddle, that's how it is.

    Sure plenty of people cheat, but they don't whine when they get caught. And I know breaking this particular rule doesn't even give you an advantage (arguable) before you start flaming me for that, but it's in the books so you either abide by it or you risk getting kicked out. That's life.

    I can play baseball in a pair of jean shorts, but I doubt they would let a pro or minor league guy do that on the field.
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    If' you show up to race, yo've got an obligation to know something about what you're doing, and to know the rules of the game.

    Personally, I wouldn't want to race with someone who was not sufficiently clued in to know you need a jersey with sleeves to race.

    Not that a sleeveless jersey makes the rider dangerous, but not having a clue may do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    If' you show up to race, yo've got an obligation to know something about what you're doing, and to know the rules of the game.

    Personally, I wouldn't want to race with someone who was not sufficiently clued in to know you need a jersey with sleeves to race.

    Not that a sleeveless jersey makes the rider dangerous, but not having a clue may do so.
    While that may be true, how do you find out that sort of information? I never knew that rule existed, though I am new to racing, but how would you learn about that rule without having read the full cycling rules?

    Isn't it conceivable that someone could be quite competent on the bike, but not 100% know the rules?

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    http://www.usacycling.org/

    edit -- and this took me fifteen seconds of searching:

    Quote Originally Posted by USA Cycling Rules
    1K2. Jerseys must be worn in all races and shall cover the shoulders. No additional equipment, whether worn over or under a rider's uniform, which has the effect of reducing wind resistance is permitted, except in the case of inclement weather, additional covering designed solely to protect against precipitation or cold may be worn. However, shoe covers are permitted in any conditions.
    http://www.usacycling.org/forms/RdTrkCx_rulebook.pdf

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    Of course it is easy to search for a rule knowing what it is you are looking for... But the rules as linked are listed as having 138 pages. Yes there is a section titled Rider's uniform. But do you expect every racer to read that whole document? If you don't know there is a problem, why you would attempt to look up something that specific?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calhoun1 View Post
    Of course it is easy to search for a rule knowing what it is you are looking for... But the rules as linked are listed as having 138 pages. Yes there is a section titled Rider's uniform. But do you expect every racer to read that whole document? If you don't know there is a problem, why you would attempt to look up something that specific?
    Cuz just like in civil law (or criminal law), there's no excuse for ignorance.

    So, now let me go put a 1 pound saddle on my bike so that it's the legal weight to be in a bike race, and by the way, unless you're in a TT, you can't have aerobars, and if you are in a TT, your aerobars can only extend so far forward...and...and...and...

    Lots of rules in there. You should read it sometime if you race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calhoun1 View Post
    While that may be true, how do you find out that sort of information? I never knew that rule existed, though I am new to racing, but how would you learn about that rule without having read the full cycling rules?

    Isn't it conceivable that someone could be quite competent on the bike, but not 100% know the rules?

    If you show up to a local race, it would be readily apparent that there, like most organized sports, is a dress code that all participants are required to obey.

    Example: I'd rather not wear shinguards during intramural soccer games, but, by showing up to a game, I'd notice right away everyone putting on and wearing the funny little pads on their shins.
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