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Old 08-23-07, 08:53 PM   #1
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Does anyone understand why there is no decision on Floyd yet?

Because I don't.
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There were some interesting theories on this in another thread. One person speculated that perhaps the thing is going to get dropped on a technicality. In that case, if the announcement is delayed then it is sort of like banning him anyways since he can't ride until a statement is made if in fact they found him not guilty.

Now if they did find him guilty then the delay makes no sense. They should just get it over with and move on.
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Who is responsible for the delay anyway? How many times has it been said that "we will make an announcement by X date" and then it never happens? What a joke!
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who's Floyd?
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He should have taken the two year ban, saved his money, and gotten it over with. When the decision finally does come down, either way, it will still end up going to the CAS on appeal and at the rate things are going it will end up being more than the original two years.
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He should have taken the two year ban, saved his money, and gotten it over with. When the decision finally does come down, either way, it will still end up going to the CAS on appeal and at the rate things are going it will end up being more than the original two years.
Your analysis is probably right and it is one of the saddest things about the case.
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Because I don't.
They're going to wait until late-June, 2008, so they can get the most mileage out of it.
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who's Floyd?

uh huh...
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Because I don't.
They are taking tests...here's one of the answers that they gave...
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Here's another...take note of how this person spells "straight"...kind of Freudian, I think.
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If they were going to find him guilty, they'd have already done it. At least some of the arbitrators must want to acquit, the the powers that be are delaying as long as possible to make Landis' defense costs as high as possible, in order to discourage other riders from fighting the system.
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If they were going to find him guilty, they'd have already done it. At least some of the arbitrators must want to acquit, the the powers that be are delaying as long as possible to make Landis' defense costs as high as possible, in order to discourage other riders from fighting the system.
What costs is Landis incurring while he awaits the ruling?

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He should have taken the two year ban, saved his money, and gotten it over with. When the decision finally does come down, either way, it will still end up going to the CAS on appeal and at the rate things are going it will end up being more than the original two years.
But if he prevails, he remains TdF champion officially. Also, once two years have elapsed since his last race, can he actually be prevented from racing?
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Your analysis is probably right and it is one of the saddest things about the case.
That's right IF he's guilty. If he is not and he takes the 2 year suspension, he would commit an infraction far greater than doping. Our society offers nearly everyone a chance to defend themselves. The rush to judge Floyd has made me wonder how many in the cycling community would embrace reversing the "innocent until proven guilty" thing.
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There were some interesting theories on this in another thread. One person speculated that perhaps the thing is going to get dropped on a technicality. In that case, if the announcement is delayed then it is sort of like banning him anyways since he can't ride until a statement is made if in fact they found him not guilty.

Now if they did find him guilty then the delay makes no sense. They should just get it over with and move on.
No such thing as a technicality in arbitration. The whole point of arbitration is to render a binding decision.
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Simple, they can't convict him so they're going to stall until he can't come back to the sport. Who else is proud to be an American?
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What costs is Landis incurring while he awaits the ruling?
Lost income. Nobody will sign him until he's exonerated.


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If they were going to find him guilty, they'd have already done it. At least some of the arbitrators must want to acquit, the the powers that be are delaying as long as possible to make Landis' defense costs as high as possible, in order to discourage other riders from fighting the system.
+1. My guess is they're trying to figure out how to spin his acquittal to not make themselves look like imbeciles.
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What costs is Landis incurring while he awaits the ruling?

But if he prevails, he remains TdF champion officially. Also, once two years have elapsed since his last race, can he actually be prevented from racing?
Legal fees. Lawyers are expensive. He can't race without a team. Do you really think any team will touch him with this hanging over him?
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+1. My guess is they're trying to figure out how to spin his acquittal to not make themselves look like imbeciles.
That'll be a good trick, if they can do it.
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Lost income. Nobody will sign him until he's exonerated.

+1. My guess is they're trying to figure out how to spin his acquittal to not make themselves look like imbeciles.
+1 here. Stakes may be high because now the lab in question is gonna have to provide answers whether or not they made mistakes. The tour organizer is tied closely to lab so they would have to find a political twist to this becuase of the hard line and public conviction they took (and continue to take).
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Simple, they can't convict him so they're going to stall until he can't come back to the sport. Who else is proud to be an American?
To paraphrase H. L. Mencken, In every life there is something to be thankful for. I thank God I am not French.
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I don't think its anything nefarious. Lots of time it takes longer to get decisions after hearings than you'd like. I have cases that have been going on for over 9 years.

Not an arbitration, but I have one case where we're coming up on 3 years after a hearing on a motion for summary judgement, and still don't have a ruling.

If 2 arbitrators had made up their mind to acquit him, they could report a decision.

My assumption is one or more of the Arbitrators believes its a very close call, wants to do a thorough analysis of all the testimony, and hasn't gotten off his butt to do so.
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I remember the first time you posted those. I laughed so hard I nearly choked.
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Michael Vick will probably play football again before Floyd is back.

Sad
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I don't think its anything nefarious. Lots of time it takes longer to get decisions after hearings than you'd like. I have cases that have been going on for over 9 years.
9 years for decisions is business is usual? Doesn't that just signal that fact that anyone who enters the legal system is utterly F'd? That's one helluva Reality Distortion Field (RDF). Fascinating. Terrifying, yet fascinating.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing but respect for the legal process. But this is too disturbing. Why is there no time pressure on these pinheads to render a verdict? What's UP with that? I just don't GET it.
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