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Old 09-19-07, 02:28 PM   #1
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Upgrading to Cat 2

In the district where I race, Cat 3s have the option to enter either a Cat 3, Cat 3/4, P/123, or Masters race (if old enough) or Jrs. race (if young enough).

Given this, why would a 36 year old with a family, career, etc. who wont be racing nationally upgrade to Cat 2 (other than to brag on the internets)?
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To give the next cat 3 a chance.
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To give the next cat 3 a chance.
By the looks of your power files, that's what I'll be pleading with you to do next year!
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In the district where I race, Cat 3s have the option to enter either a Cat 3, Cat 3/4, P/123, or Masters race (if old enough) or Jrs. race (if young enough).

Given this, why would a 36 year old with a family, career, etc. who wont be racing nationally upgrade to Cat 2 (other than to brag on the internets)?

to brag outside the internet too. I guess sometimes being a cat 2 can get you better hook ups from certain teams in the area as well.

I totally get what you are saying and as long as the person wasnt sandbagging by only racing cat 3 events i dont see any problem with it.
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To give the next cat 3 a chance.
F that action.

Sandbagging RULES. Not that I have any personal experience with same because I suck so hard. But if I were Dr. W. they'd have to send the USCF Storm Troopers to make me upgrade. F'em.
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It is a problem given that almost all races for 2's are Pro 1-2 races. So, upgrade to Cat 2 for bragging rights. Race some Pro 1-2 for the training, and focus on getting results in Masters 35.
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In the district where I race, Cat 3s have the option to enter either a Cat 3, Cat 3/4, P/123, or Masters race (if old enough) or Jrs. race (if young enough).

Given this, why would a 36 year old with a family, career, etc. who wont be racing nationally upgrade to Cat 2 (other than to brag on the internets)?

I've heard 2s muttering to 3s that they should never upgrade... "you'll regret it", that sort of thing.

If nothing else, I think getting to 2 in this region is a great personal goal; being competitive with the guys who can train 20 hours a week seems to be the real issue for a family man (or a single parent like myself).
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I`ve been thinkin' about racin' Cat 3 next voyage instead o' M35+ so I can brag if I get an upgrade.

I probably will nay, fer th' reasons ye state...
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It is a problem given that almost all races for 2's are Pro 1-2 races. So, upgrade to Cat 2 for bragging rights. Race some Pro 1-2 for the training, and focus on getting results in Masters 35.
No, no, no! Stay out of the Masters 35+! Those races are hard enough without a bunch of Cat 2s putting us into difficulty.
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In the district where I race, Cat 3s have the option to enter either a Cat 3, Cat 3/4, P/123, or Masters race (if old enough) or Jrs. race (if young enough).

Given this, why would a 36 year old with a family, career, etc. who wont be racing nationally upgrade to Cat 2 (other than to brag on the internets)?
there is no legitimate reason.
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^ One legitimate reason would be a forced upgrade.
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No, no, no! Stay out of the Masters 35+! Those races are hard enough without a bunch of Cat 2s putting us into difficulty.
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Because that's where the real race is?


I upgraded to cat 2 for that reason and because this whole bike racing thing is all about personal challenge for me. The majority of cat3 races were no longer challenging. Additionally tactics are a reality in almost all of the pro 1-2 races around here and almost never in the lower cats.
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Because that's where the real race is?


I upgraded to cat 2 for that reason and because this whole bike racing thing is all about personal challenge for me. The majority of cat3 races were no longer challenging.
Additionally tactics are a reality in almost all of the pro 1-2 races around here and almost never in the lower cats.
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I wouldn't do it. The jump to pro 1/2 from 3s is huge and humbling in terms of speed and aggression. Unless you are training full time, I don't see why you would do it.
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Because that's where the real race is?


I upgraded to cat 2 for that reason and because this whole bike racing thing is all about personal challenge for me. The majority of cat3 races were no longer challenging.
Additionally tactics are a reality in almost all of the pro 1-2 races around here and almost never in the lower cats.
On the other hand Vets races usually involve tactics and often a successful breakaway with teams behind chasing or blocking. The pace of the Vets race in Prospect Park used to be a steady 25mph in the 4 race, but would go from 21mph to 30mph in the Vets race depending on the tactical situation. The most amazing breakaway I ever witnessed in a 35+ race had to be the one with Morgan Stebbins' 3 man break (Morgan's over 45 now) that lapped the field on a 3 mile circuit race course. Now THAT is a gap : ). I'll never forget the astonishment I felt to see Morgan and his pals lap us in Brooklyn.
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Boulder, CO isn't exactly a dead spot in the cycling scene...
The biggest reason tactics never happen here is that everyone wants point so bad that they will never let stuff go. So guys will chase everything even if it might have been a good break.


Agreed that the masters/vet classes usually have some tactics being played out but I can't race those for at least 3 years.
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Boulder, CO isn't exactly a dead spot in the cycling scene...
The biggest reason tactics never happen here is that everyone wants point so bad that they will never let stuff go. So guys will chase everything even if it might have been a good break.


Agreed that the masters/vet classes usually have some tactics being played out but I can't race those for at least 3 years.
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Around here, M35+ be dominated by Cat 2s who be havin' families, busy lives, an' dasn't want t' do 90 mile races ever' weekend, or twice a weekend.

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Boulder, CO t'ain't exactly a dead spot in th' cyclin' scene...
Th' biggest reason tactics nerehappen here be that sea dogs an' land lubbers wants point so bad that they will nerelet stuff go. So guys will chase everythin' e'en if 't might ben a good break.
That be me experience in CO aft in th' early 90s as well. Breaks in th' 4s almost neresucceded. Maybe two per season. 't be nay much more likely in th' 3s. Sea dogs an' land lubbers be jus' so panicked about th' points. Th' teamwork certainly played in fer th' sprints tho.

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Around here, M35+ be dominated by Cat 2s who be havin' families, busy lives, an' dasn't want t' do 90 mile races ever' weekend, or twice a weekend. That be me experience in CO aft in th' early 90s as well. Breaks in th' 4s almost neresucceded. Maybe two per season. 't be nay much more likely in th' 3s. Sea dogs an' land lubbers be jus' so panicked about th' points. Th' teamwork certainly played in fer th' sprints tho.

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Around here, M35+ be dominated by Cat 2s who be havin' families, busy lives, an' dasn't want t' do 90 mile races ever' weekend, or twice a weekend.



That be me experience in CO aft in th' early 90s as well. Breaks in th' 4s almost neresucceded. Maybe two per season. 't be nay much more likely in th' 3s. Sea dogs an' land lubbers be jus' so panicked about th' points. Th' teamwork certainly played in fer th' sprints tho.

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By the looks of your power files, that's what I'll be pleading with you to do next year!
I have thoughts of making the Armed Forces team if I can continue to build/improve on where I am now. They only take Cat 1, so I'll upgrade out of every cat as fast as I can.
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I have thoughts of making the Armed Forces team if I can continue to build/improve on where I am now. They only take Cat 1, so I'll upgrade out of every cat as fast as I can.
The Army canceled the WCA program for cycling recently. Or mothballed, I should say. 15 month deployments aren't conducive to training for Olympic class cycling...the Armed Forces team is populated in great measure by reservists IIRC.

It's sort of a downer, as the AFCT guys still have to work in their MOS. The WCA guys get to hang out in the Olympic Training Center and ride all day...all while collecting a paycheck better than most pros.
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