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    Landis Decision

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    dang.

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    Wish him the best.

    FWIW, I still think his stage 17 ride was awesome.

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    This has proliferated about 40 threads in 10 minutes in several forums.

    What will be interesting is how he will now spin this, and how Flandis fans will now spin this. I predict more bullsh-t.

    Gee, real sorry for all those who bought his book and donated $250,000+ to his defense.

    Is it time to get back to reality yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocRay View Post
    Gee, real sorry for all those who bought his book and donated $250,000+ to his defense.
    Only part of the book concerned the doping issue. The rest was pretty entertaining. I feel sorry for people that comment on the value of books without reading them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocRay View Post
    This has proliferated about 40 threads in 10 minutes in several forums.

    What will be interesting is how he will now spin this, and how Flandis fans will now spin this. I predict more bullsh-t.

    Gee, real sorry for all those who bought his book and donated $250,000+ to his defense.


    Is it time to get back to reality yet?
    That moment never arrives for you DR.

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    They did rule that the initial epi-test test was invalid:

    In its 84-page decision, the majority found the initial screening test to measure Landis' testosterone levels — the testosterone-to-epitestosterone test — was not done according to World Anti-Doping Agency rules.

    But the more precise and expensive carbon-isotope ration analysis (IRMS), performed after a positive T-E test is recorded, was accurate, the arbitrators said, meaning "an anti-doping rule violation is established."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Only part of the book concerned the doping issue. The rest was pretty entertaining. I feel sorry for people that comment on the value of books without reading them.
    I will not buy any book written for the sole purpose of lying and funding more lies.

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    Can somebody give Pereiro a yellow jersey, please? TIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donrhummy View Post
    They did rule that the initial epi-test test was invalid:
    Yeah no one was saying the lab was perfect, just that the evidence pointed to him doping and thats all that mattered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donrhummy View Post
    They did rule that the initial epi-test test was invalid:
    They did not rule that it was invalid, they ruled it wasn't done according to WADA rules. The subsequent tests proved that the first result was valid, and correct.
    Exactly what part of "guilty" don't you guys understand? the verdict was not "kinda guilty".

    Enough, experts have looked into this for over a year in painful detail, everything was studied to death. People were lied to, people were blackmailed, money was taken under false pretenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namenda View Post
    Can somebody give Pereiro a yellow jersey, please? TIA.
    +1, let's see some sportsmanship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocRay View Post
    +1, let's see some sportsmanship.
    Oscar "I will not take a DNA test to prove my own innocence" Pereiro?

    Tell me you're joking. The guy won't take a DNA test (stated publicly) to prove that he isn't implicated in Puerto, and yet you want to give him the yellow? Are you f***ing kidding me?
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    Boom goes the dynamite. Fark him. He lost any respect from me over the LeMond thing. He can go eat crap now.

    Landis = proven cheater
    Armstrong = clean, until proven dirty

    So an American tour winner was guilty of cheating. Now some of the American haters on the other side of the pond can focus their venom on Landis, and let the unfounded Armstrong accusations rest now. Unless of course evidence shows Armstrong cheated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
    Oscar "I will not take a DNA test to prove my own innocence" Pereiro?

    Tell me you're joking. The guy won't take a DNA test (stated publicly) to prove that he isn't implicated in Puerto, and yet you want to give him the yellow? Are you f***ing kidding me?
    Pereiro was cleared of any involvement in Puerto by the UCI. There is no evidence, therefore no reason for him to submit to DNA testing to prove anything. The ASO allowed him to race the TdF this year, despite their clearly stated position on cyclists under investigation. Someone on the internet saying that "Urko" is Oscar Pereiro, doesn't necessarily make it so.

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    how much longer before the drug troll shows up on the forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namenda View Post
    Pereiro was cleared of any involvement in Puerto by the UCI. There is no evidence, therefore no reason for him to submit to DNA testing to prove anything. The ASO allowed him to race the TdF this year, despite their clearly stated position on cyclists under investigation. Someone on the internet saying that "Urko" is Oscar Pereiro, doesn't necessarily make it so.
    I realize all of this.

    But he said what he said before he was cleared. Why would he refuse to submit DNA if nothing was the matter?
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    I'm a Landis fan, and I knew he was going to lose this. I don't think anyone actually thought he would be found innocent.

    UCI is a joke, WADA is a joke. Regardless of if he is a cheater or not the test wasn't done correctly so you can't trust the results period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
    I realize all of this.

    But he said what he said before he was cleared. Why would he refuse to submit DNA if nothing was the matter?
    I chalk it up to human nature. If someone asks you for DNA to prove your innocence, when there is no evidence to link you to the crime in question, wouldn't you tell them to go fark themselves? I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namenda View Post
    I chalk it up to human nature. If someone asks you for DNA to prove your innocence, when there is no evidence to link you to the crime in question, wouldn't you tell them to go fark themselves? I would.
    And would you want a Cycling Lab to handle your Samples?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanhulce View Post
    And would you want a Cycling Lab to handle your Samples?
    No. Not even if they paid me for the priviledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namenda View Post
    I chalk it up to human nature. If someone asks you for DNA to prove your innocence, when there is no evidence to link you to the crime in question, wouldn't you tell them to go fark themselves? I would.

    Oddly enough, in middle school I was accused of stealing a trophy from a case outside our gym. It was found a couple of days later in another part of the school. The teacher that accused me said she had seen me around the area after school. Indeed, I had been. Matter of fact, I sat there every day waiting for my mom to pick me up from cross country practice. The school administration gave me a one day in-school suspension. During my time sitting alone in the office, I suggested they fingerprint me, being the wise-as$ little sh1t that I was. Realizing that they didn't have a damn thing on me, it was removed from my record, and the principal apologized. I still missed the Civil War Re-enactment that day, though.

    The point: in cycling, just like school, they can suspend you for SUSPICION of guilt, which is why he should have thrown a sample at them ASAP, if he had nothing to lose.

    Edit: When it was found, the only finger prints on its very shiny, metallic surface, were large. As in those commonly found on adult hands. Turns out the coach for that sport had moved it, and not told anyone.
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    God I wish I had the balls to dope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
    The point: in cycling, just like school, they can suspend you for SUSPICION of guilt, which is why he should have thrown a sample at them ASAP, if he had nothing to lose.
    The time will likely come when DNA testing will become a requirement. This will be, if for no other reason, than to avoid a repeat of the mess that is Puerto. Until that time, nobody will want to be the first to step up and voluntarily provide a sample. It would be tantamount to ratting out the mob, but without the witness protection program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
    I still missed the Civil War Re-enactment that day, though.
    The guys in blue won, as I recall. You didn't miss much.

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